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Old 08-25-2008, 09:55 PM   #16
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I was listening to the news while doing some work. Heard Caroline Kennedy speak, and then went to watch. Caught the tribute video and Teddy's speech.
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Do you endorse discrimination against atheists and gays with your tax dollars?
As long as white Christian heterosexual males aren't discriminated against, why would one care? After all, they are the only True Americans™.
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they are the only True Americans™.
So true

it was White Christian males that founded this great country on Judeo-Christian values.

and it was them that fought and freed the slaves, too.
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Old 08-25-2008, 10:44 PM   #19
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I have a really hard time being from Massachusetts and watching everyone applaud Mr. Kennedy. I am sure many of them have never heard of Chappaquiddick. I can almost understand the respect he commands from those who have never heard of that event or those who do not know the facts surrounding it. For those who do the facts, I find it completely sickening that this man would be considered a leader in any respect.
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how about a hand for Michelle Obama!
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CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Carville: Dems wasting first night - Blogs from CNN.com

Carville: Dems wasting first night
Posted: 11:45 PM ET

(CNN) — Have the Democrats wasted the first night of the convention?

Yes, says Democratic Strategist and CNN contributor James Carville.

Speaking on CNN, Carville said the party was too soft in its attacks on John McCain Monday night — the same mistake, Carville says, Democrats made at the 2004 convention.

"The way they planned it tonight was supposed to be sort of the personal — Michelle Obama will talk about Barack Obama personally, Ted Kennedy was a very personal, emotional speech," Carville said. "But I guarantee on the first night of the Republican Convention, you're going to hear talk about Barack Obama, commander-in-chief, tax cuts, et cetera, et cetera."

"You haven't heard about Iraq or John McCain or George W. Bush — I haven't heard any of this. We are a country that is in a borderline recession, we are an 80 percent wrong-track country. Health care, energy — I haven't heard anything about gas prices," Carville also says. "Maybe we are going to look better Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. But right now, we're playing hide the message."

Carville also said the party needs to do a better job of communicating its message to the American people.

“If this party has a message it's done a hell of a job hiding it tonight, I promise you that," he said.
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Old 08-26-2008, 12:31 AM   #22
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I've never quite understood James Carville, one moment I'll watch him say something and think he's brilliant and then the next time I see him I'll think he's just an ass...

His platform may be democratic, but I often feel like he thinks too much like a Republican.
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I bet they are all happy the surge failed so miserably. Otherwise, they would look pretty foolish.
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James Carville may be democratic, but I often feel like he thinks too much like a Republican.
You could be right
he knows how to win elections.
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Carville is probably right though for the reasons Deep stated (knows how to win).

The Dems would rather win an argument than an election.

I don't think they need to get nasty but to remind people of how shitty Bush has been and to try and further the Bush3rd term narrative...

Then again, who's watching besides those who have already made up their mind? Undecideds? Maybe but I wouldn't imagine too many.

While Carville may be right, I still think he suffers from Beltway disease like much the rest. People aren't going to care until Biden gets on stage and then later, primarily Obama.
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I don't think they have to get nasty either, but if the Republicans do and they just sit there and take it-well four more years. They need to be positive about what Democrats stand for and what Obama/Biden can do, but they also need to hammer home the sad state of affairs under Bush and how McCain is more of the same. As great as Michelle Obama's speech was, that just isn't going to do that.
Carville and all the others on CNN who were disappointed also want tabloid trash that they can get all excited and worked up about about, they're no different than FOX (or any other network) in that respect. That's why they're playing up the whole Clinton issue, trying to create dirt. That's why I like CSpan-plus you get it all unedited.
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michelle obama was perfect. by far, the best speech i've ever seen by a political spouse. i can't imagine why anyone has any problems with her, unless they just have a problem when tall black women go to Princeton and Harvard and make successes out of their lives.

anyway, for Democrats, the table has been set. they better start serving up the red meat.
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i can't imagine why anyone has any problems with her, unless they just have a problem when tall black women go to Princeton and Harvard and make successes out of their lives.
Women are supposed to stay at home and raise children, duh. That's what the Princeton and Harvard educated Republican women tell us as to why God will no longer favor America someday.
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michelle obama was perfect. by far, the best speech i've ever seen by a political spouse. i can't imagine why anyone has any problems with her, unless they just have a problem when tall black women go to Princeton and Harvard and make successes out of their lives.

anyway, for Democrats, the table has been set. they better start serving up the red meat.

Is the speech available anywhere online?
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Probably, but this part was my favorite

YouTube - Michelle Obama & Kids Talk To Barack In St. Louis
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