Lilac
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I'd rather have McCain than either of those two sickening bozos.
Lilac said:I'd rather have McCain than either of those two sickening bozos.
ThatGuy said:
BostonAnne said:
I didn't get that at all. I had already posted my opposite reaction earlier in this thread. While he highlighted Bush's "unyielding" "un flinching" "must do" path that we have to be on because "Don't let anyone tell you otherwise", I didn't see it as a persuasive argument to re-elect Bush. I also don't think he said anything comparing Kerry & Bush to highlight Bush being a better choice. Am I missing something?
I do think it was a great speech, but not anything that moved me to re-elect George Bush or that prove to me that Bush would be better than John Kerry.
Leeloo said:He's got Pete Townshend on his side.
enggirl said:While I like McCain and, even tho I'm a democrat, was interested in him 4+ years ago b/c he sounded like a logical, rational grown-up (such a concept in today's political climate), I've lost respect for him these past months. Back when McCain was running for the ticket, Bush & his buddies pulled some dirty BS on him...yet he lets himself be put on a commercial hugging the man! They used dirty tricks to call him into question, and he is still towing the dogmatic party line instead of saying "Hey--what the hell?" I thought he could think for himself, but he's in danger of coming across as one of "them" lock, stock & barrell.
Oh, and the best thing Moore could do is laugh it all off. Pulling an O'Reilley and yelling "Shut up! Just shut up!" would just make him look a fool. I read what Moore had to say in today's USA Today opinion piece and I think it was great. Compare it to Coulter (who was fired after turning in her first opinion piece on the DNC) and you can get an idea of how the parties seem to split. Too often the Reps (their "mouthpieces" for the most part) come across as a bit on the nutty side--name calling, etc. When Republicans try to act compassionate and moderate, it rings false (to me, anyway).
OK, I've gotten off topic. Sorry.
BostonAnne said:No Sting2, how Bush handled Sept 11 and Iraq are not my deciding factors.
If it were my deciding factor, I don't agree with all of his decisions anyhow and McCains speech didn't inspire me to think differently.
STING2 said:
The best of friends can have a heated debate about something especially in the course of politics. This example is irrelevant.
STING2 said:
Has anyone given a speech or said something not in a speech that would make you want to re-elect George Bush, regardless of whether it was related to 9/11/Iraq or not?
wouldn't that be considered flip-flopping?STING2 said:
Has anyone given a speech or said something not in a speech that would make you want to re-elect George Bush, regardless of whether it was related to 9/11/Iraq or not?
A_Wanderer said:Ahem, remember your Voltaire "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it", the problem with politics is that too many people here hate those whose politics they disagree with, that goes for both Bush and Kerry bashers - they posess a psycopathical hatred that is totally illogical. Introduce some respect for others opinions and take enjoyment from the argument, it will lead to better discourse in your daily life and on the forum.
A_Wanderer said:Ahem, remember your Voltaire "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it", the problem with politics is that too many people here hate those whose politics they disagree with, that goes for both Bush and Kerry bashers - they posess a psycopathical hatred that is totally illogical. Introduce some respect for others opinions and take enjoyment from the argument, it will lead to better discourse in your daily life and on the forum.
BostonAnne said:
What's your point STING2? The answer is no, but that doesn't mean that I don't try to have an open mind anyhow.
Apparenly John McCain couldn't disagree with you more.STING2 said:McCain is not a person that deals in "partial truths".
Salome said:wouldn't that be considered flip-flopping?
cydewaze said:
Apparenly John McCain couldn't disagree with you more.
"Our choice wasn't between a benign status quo and the bloodshed of war. It was between war and a graver threat. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Not our political opponents. And certainly not, certainly not, a disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that Saddam's Iraq was an oasis of peace, when in fact it was a place of indescribable cruelty, torture chambers, mass graves and prisons that destroyed the lives of the small children inside their walls."
--John McCain
Of course John never saw the movie, and of course Moore never claimed that Iraq was an "oasis of peace". Yes, I know it's just a tiny untruth, but still...
On a side note, I wonder how John was able to forgive Bush for the vicious personal attacks Bush used against him in the 2000 primaries.
Diemen said:McCain being forced to publicly hug Bush is proof enough to me that he's engaging in partial truths. It seems clear to me that McCain isn't so much pushing for Bush to be re-elected as he is pushing for the current administration to be reelected (ie, the people actually running the administration).
Diemen said:Oh come on. The staff at the Hanoi Hilton weren't members of his own party who were currently in office and had all the power. He also wasn't a career politician at the time and didn't have to worry about compromising his beliefs to gain some political ground.
Do you really think that McCain likes Bush? After the incredibly harsh smear campaign he was subjected to in 2000? A smear campaign that Bush never (publicly) apologized for, despite a direct and public request from McCain?
Anyway, here we go with the hugs
McCain sure looks comfortable, doesn't he?