shart1780
Rock n' Roll Doggie
He was in a boat but I always thought he was thrown out before he was eaten by a whale. I think the boat is just there to make the picture funnier.
BonoVoxSupastar said:Seriously diamond, this is your counter argument?
I guess we should all be ignorant and unlearnt
nbcrusader said:
You can’t really do a theological analysis if you are stuck with a worldly view of knowledge.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
That would mean we could never have any theological analysis.
AEON said:
Not true. To a Christian, knowlege not led by the Holy Spirit is useless to the Kingdom of God.
A non-believer cannot properly analyze the Bible. The presence of the Holy Spirit is required for understanding and applying Scripture to our lives. (Ephesians 1:17-18, Colossians 1:9) As a non-believer, the best Scripture can do is "make some sense" and hopefully help lead him/her to a place of faith.
AEON said:
Not true. To a Christian, knowlege not led by the Holy Spirit is useless to the Kingdom of God.
A non-believer cannot properly analyze the Bible. The presence of the Holy Spirit is required for understanding and applying Scripture to our lives. (Ephesians 1:17-18, Colossians 1:9) As a non-believer, the best Scripture can do is "make some sense" and hopefully help lead him/her to a place of faith.
AEON said:
A non-believer cannot properly analyze the Bible. The presence of the Holy Spirit is required for understanding and applying Scripture to our lives. (Ephesians 1:17-18, Colossians 1:9) As a non-believer, the best Scripture can do is "make some sense" and hopefully help lead him/her to a place of faith.
WildHoneyAlways said:
I'm curious, I work with a brilliant woman who is a biblical scholar and Jewish. Is she categorized as a non-believer?
AEON said:
As a Christian, we believe that God has poured the Holy Spirit into our hearts at the moment we accept Christ as our Savior. Without accepting Christ, there is no indwelling Holy Spirit. And where there is no indwelling Holy Spirit - there is limited ability to understand and apply Scripture (which included the New Testament - something Jews do not accept as canon).
nbcrusader said:I think AEON is simply speaking of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit - a fairly universal core belief for Christians.
LivLuvAndBootlegMusic said:
The rest is all theology - humans attempting to define the nature of God.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
I wish more people would understand this.
LivLuvAndBootlegMusic said:
AEON believes that the Holy Spirit is poured into the heart of the person at the moment s/he accepts Christ as Savior. I believe that the Holy Spirit is ever-present and universally available (we Calvinists come to this conclusion based on General Revelation) and that the Holy Spirit is actually what helps brings a person to accept Christ in the first place.
AEON said:
LivLuv,
Perhaps there is a misunderstanding somewhere. I am very familiar with what Calvin teaches, he is one of the leading Protestant thinkers and his writings are still studied quite extensively. And I am quite certain that he does not teach that the Holy Spirit resides in non-believers, especially since there are numerous passages that would blatantly contradict such a position.
shart1780 said:One thing that always confused me and turned me off to Calvinism is the idea of predestination.
AEON said:Resides = indwelling - which was my only point = Without the Indwelling Holy Spirit - study and application of Scripture is impossible in a meaningful sense.
AEON said:Without the Indwelling Holy Spirit - study and application of Scripture is impossible in a meaningful sense.
As far as I know, most major Christian denominations agree on this.
LivLuvAndBootlegMusic said:AEON believes that the Holy Spirit is poured into the heart of the person at the moment s/he accepts Christ as Savior. I believe that the Holy Spirit is ever-present and universally available (we Calvinists come to this conclusion based on General Revelation) and that the Holy Spirit is actually what helps brings a person to accept Christ in the first place.
nbcrusader said:
Are these two concepts mutually exclusive?
Scripture does support both concepts, I'm not sure why it becomes a matter of nullifying one statement because of a separate statement.