Irvine511
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To me, this remains primarily a gun issue.
Guns are why small crimes become big murders.
Guns are why small crimes become big murders.
Edit: I thought I'd seen something that said he'd had prescription drugs in his system, but fine, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Doesn't matter what I say or think - I'm not on the jury.
Bottom line: there's no way this man deserves to be on trial for life in jail. If he gets convicted of second degree, it'll be a travesty.
Evidence: Trayvon Had Bruised Knuckles, Zimmerman Broken Nose
"The medical report from George Zimmerman’s family doctor after the Trayvon Martin shooting shows that Zimmerman’s nose was broken; he also had a pair of black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head, a bruised upper lip, and a back injury. He was examined by the doctor the day after the shooting. The three-page medical report will likely be used as evidence for the defense.
Meanwhile, the Trayvon Martin autopsy shows that other than his gunshot wound, the only injury on Martin was that the skin on his knuckles was broken. Combined with the evidence from Zimmerman's medical report, the logical conclusion is that Martin was beating up Zimmerman severely before Zimmerman shot him."
Nothing but bruised knuckles, hm..?
To me, this remains primarily a gun issue.
Guns are why small crimes become big murders.
Not a travesty what happened to Trayvon?
Trayvon may have thought he had to beat this guy up in order to preserve his own life. He may have been standing his ground because he feared imminent harm. And it appears that he was right to feel that way.
I don't understand how you can find it so terribly compelling that Martin beat Zimmerman. He was being followed, he didn't know why, he was scared. . .I don't know that I would have attacked Zimmerman if it were me, but I don't see why the fact that he did so is such a smoking gun with you.
A few minutes before shots were fired, there's a recorded 911 call from Zimmerman, saying that he's stopped following Trayvon, and doesn't know where he is. Doesn't sound like Trayvon would have any reason to fear danger.
But how does Trayvon know that Martin has stopped following him? Perhaps he was thinking, "man, what if he comes after me again. Better I get him before he gets me."
Or maybe he was just angry about being harassed and lashed out. I guess in that case he deserved to be killed then. . . .
Really? It's not logical to think that being under the influence of drugs could possibly lead to making less than stellar decisions?
So Zimmerman decides to follow a 17 year old for a few blocks, I guess he deserves to be beaten to death...
this is what it sounds like happened, to me
You're filling in so much information with no evidence what so ever. There's no point pointing to the little evidence you do have
Trayvon doubled back, and either confronted Zimmerman and had words, or just out and out sucker punched him;
possibly
You completely made this part up in your mind. You don't know how the actual confrontation started. And this is the key point in your argument
If, within a minute or two, I believe, of the conflict, Trayvon had run off out of Zimmerman's sight, how would you assume the conflict began? I am assuming here, and I admitted this was the only part where I was, but it seems to jive (heh.) with the evidence we do have.
So Zimmerman decides to follow a 17 year old for a few blocks, I guess he deserves to be beaten to death...
Except he's not dead. Trayvon is. Trayvon didn't start this-he was just walking home. Had Zimmerman not followed him, none of this would've happened.
We know that right before the confrontation, Zimmerman lost Trayvon.
Could've found him again
All it would've taken was to catch a glimpse of him in the distance to continue pursuing. You could very well be right, but there's so little we know and an infinite number of combinations of events at that moment. That's all I'm saying. I mean, there could even be a completely different scenario that still makes Zimmerman seem to be innocent.
If Zimmerman didn't shoot, and Trayvon beat him to death, what would you say?
I can respect this opinion and I'd agree with that. It just bugs me sometimes that so many people seem to believe the only way "justice" can be "served" in this case is if Zimmerman's convicted of murder, and put away for life, when there's really very little evidence to say he's guilty of second degree.
But if he attacked Zimmerman because Zimmerman either was harassing him or perceived to be harassing him, which, again, is likely what he was thinking when he did go after Zimmerman in this situation, then he's just as justified in his response as Zimmerman supposedly is in his, right? I've asked that before in this thread: Zimmerman can "stand his ground" based on the supposed threat Trayvon posed and that's okay, but Trayvon couldn't "stand his ground" based on the supposed threat Zimmerman posed to him?