Earnie Shavers
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Although, it is interesting to see Fox presenters coming around to reverse positions on arguments from nearly ten years ago.
You want me to say Fox and MSNBC cancel each other out, and that's just not true. It's not. I can't in good conscious say it's true, because it isn't. Fox is much, much worse. They have a much tighter agenda, a larger audience, and have done more harm than all other networks combined.No.
The FNC story you're referring to is the clip of Fox and Friends running cricket sounds after Obama's jokes at the SOTU, right? If so, you need to re-read my original post on that. I said it was childish and stupid, and I don't think anyone in here is disputing that. Ditto for the Egypt graphic. Bad journalism.
However, if people are going to cite that as proof that FNC is not news, then you MUST say the same thing about MSNBC after selectively editing the footage I posted. You MUST. There's no way around it. All I hear in here are people proclaiming FNC as not a news organization, but never MSNBC despite examples of such deceit and irresponsibility. Will you admit that MSNBC is not news? The fact that people here say "sure, the primetime is biased, but the rest of the day is credible stuff" is just baffling. Apparently you don't concur.
I'm watching this on youtube now. The levels of hysteria and stupidity on display are just unfathomable. Staggering.
WHY IS NO-ONE ELSE TELLING YOU THIS!?!?
WHY?
WHY!?!?
As people become older, I am finding they become more insular and have stronger, more conservative beliefs.I blame Fox News for my parents' belief that when I get off the plane in Dublin this fall, I'll be greeted by an angry mob of bat-wielding Irish folks just waiting to beat up an American.
^What I got out of that was: "Look guys,' Muslim Brotherhood as a threat is exagerrated' is not a very exciting story. Couldn't we just stick with the more exciting story, facts be damned?"
what's amazing is the schizophrenia on the Right.
on one end you have: Egyptians protesting = empowered Muslims wanting democracy = what Bush wanted all along, vindication of everything he ever did.
and then you have: Obama asks Mubarack steps down = radical Islamists rise to power = Obama's a secret Muslim just like we told you.
Not only is Obama a secret Muslim, but he PLANNED THIS and it means that the fires that are burning the whole world will soon be turning into a Caliphate including America apart from the bits that are China and Russia (like the Netherlands) and Code Pink started it because they are the Muslim Brotherhood in Chicago from Kenya. Just like France did.
It's got nothing to do with excitement, or picking the most exciting/sensational angle for entertainment. I only really chime in on Fox mocking normally to have a go at the style, rather than the substance, because obviously it's 99% about US domestic issues. I hate the style, no matter the subject. It's shouty and stupid, designed to show you nothing and teach you nothing, basically. And they make no attempt at being a 'news' channel at all. But on US domestic stuff, I really don't pay much attention beyond the style to the detail of the substance, because - obviously - it doesn't effect me.
But when Fox do dare drift into foreign events or international news, I do pay attention, and finding fault in the substance is like shooting fish in a barrel. They get virtually nothing right historically or factually. They so obviously push more than just an 'entertaining angle', but a clear aim of whipping up hysteria among people too stupid to know any different, or trained to be too distrustful of any other source other than their own. Their 'coverage' (and its not really coverage, its just commentary - the actual news networks do the coverage) has just been one massive echo chamber of extreme to seriously extreme wrongness, basically. The line, angle, agenda (whatever) they're all to some degree taking on Egypt has not only been mostly wrong factually, but wholly wrong morally. And desperately as always trying to drag it back to US domestic politics somehow. It is - to be blunt - fucking disgusting.
It's when something like this happens that you think that maybe there might be some people out there who, you know, watch the real story coming from Egypt by day - perhaps from a proper news network like the BBC, who have correspondents permanently on the ground in Egypt (not just anchors parachuted in for a few days of glory), mixed with educated and educational insight from various academics, diplomats etc who have decades of experience in this country and region (not the same dozen endlessly recycled domestic political hacks pretending to suddenly understand the intricacies of Egyptian opposition politics) - who then tune into their favourite blowhard on Fox at night, and seeing the massive disconnect between reality and the line their favourite Fox guy is pushing, perhaps have their eyes opened a little, and perhaps think... maybe it's not just this time, or this topic... hmmm...
But I doubt it, because I think Fox have their market pegged and trained pretty well. Too stupid, or too scared, or both. Have a look around a few well known US conservative websites, in forums or comments sections. They're right now cheering on the pro-Mubarak supporters as they lob petrol bombs onto peaceful pro-democracy supporters. Well done Fox!
And I love this. You know Hannity fired a researcher after this.
YouTube - Even Hannity's Conservative Guests Think He's Exaggerating Islamic Threat In Egypt
The 44th president and Joseph Biden [should] be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanours. At that point the speaker of the house, John Boehner, will become the 45th president of our nation. I'm asking John Boehner to use our military power to quell the uprising that is currently threatening the government of Hosni Mubarak
Truly, the Americans who watch this show and think that it has journalistic rigour and believe it are beyond hope. Hopeless. Unreachable. Total lost causes. Their brains have atrophied.
So what is the most trusted news source in the world?
So what is the most trusted news source in the world?
In the world? BBC, easily. No competition really. The International version of CNN is certainly much, much better than the US domestic version, but still have nothing on the BBC. Those are the only two that really have strong reach beyond local/regional. Fox broadcasts anywhere Murdoch has a decent presence - so, extensively - but they're not a global network, purely US domestic, and are regarded as a complete joke outside the US. And throughout the Bush years, were a pretty bad advertisement for the US, actually. BBC has the insane reach, unmatched experience, and stellar content still presented the way news channels should.