Irvine511
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the far left, and this forum is a strong example of it
The reason "both sides do it" has proved such an enduring meme in American politics is because in politics both sides do almost everything. Including insisting their side doesn't do it but the other side does. Both sides do that also. Most people realise this. Extreme partisans don't, for obvious reasons.
There was a study a while back that demonstrated that the stronger someone felt about a political or religious issue, the more likely they were to discard any information that would challenge their assumptions...just as they were likely to be less critical about information that confirmed their biases. And even when people are definitively shown that what they believe isn't factually true, they're still resistant to accept it, and likely to find a way to rationalise their own beliefs aligning with the facts.
Similarly, researchers have found that the more strongly people feel when arguing about politics, it's the limbic system (the part of the brain that process emotions) that's being most stimulated rather than the cerebrum. In other words, if you're very partisan, the stronger you feel about an issue you're invested in, the more likely you're thinking about it using emotion and not reason. It's why political arguments quickly become so heated and many people aren't able to discuss politics rationally.
I highly recommend The Political Brain: The Role Of Emotion In Deciding The Fate Of The Nation by Drew Weston, a psychologist at Emory, for anyone interested in this subject.
Not really that difficult to understand. More times the far left, and this forum is a strong example of it, do not like to address their own possible shortcomings or culpability.
Hence, "this is not a both sides issue." To the far left, there's NO chance that they could possibly be wrong or make a mistake.
I think you're passive aggressive condescending response proves my point.
Yeah, I find the far left rather amusing myself. Now by far left, these days, what is centrist used to be considered far left.
I mean JFK wouldn't recognize the Democratic Party these days.
So I will amend my statement and say the left......because the point is the same.
Yeah, I find the far left rather amusing myself. Now by far left, these days, what is centrist used to be considered far left.
I mean JFK wouldn't recognize the Democratic Party these days.
So I will amend my statement and say the left......because the point is the same.
The Democratic Party is a center-right party. This forum is a slightly left of center forum.Yeah, I find the far left rather amusing myself. Now by far left, these days, what is centrist used to be considered far left.
I mean JFK wouldn't recognize the Democratic Party these days.
So I will amend my statement and say the left......because the point is the same.
I was going to make a comment regarding the "both sides do it" arguments that in the US the political center has shifted a lot in the last 2 decades or so. One of the developments has been for the hard right to declare even the center-left to be extreme, this to make themselves appear more mainstream. And then the center-right was declared to be far-left.
But in terms of the mechanisms in which politics operates, and all the things that entails, I think both sides do most things.
In substance, I agree the parties are different. The meme pushed by the Bernie supporters that there was no difference between Trump and Clinton was nonsensical. Elections have substantive consequences, we're seeing that now. I also agree that the parties are different in style.
That said, I frankly think both parties are equally shameless, capable of putting party before country, captive to their own special interests, and put winning the next election over everything.
That's not to say everything exists on a 1:1 basis, and each set of facts had distinctions. But more or less if there's something one party did in terms of playing politics, I'm pretty sure you could find a roughly analogous example for the other side.
The caveat to this is Trump is sort of resetting the board, the US has never had someone like this as President and we're seeing a lot of unprecedented crap.
it also ties into the notion that the two parties are somehow how the same, so, really, if you're going to vote for Hillary you might as well vote for Trump because millionaires and billionaires, blah blah blah, the end.
can you see a scenario where majority leader Chuck Schumer refuses for an entire year to consider a Trump SCOTUS nominee to replace a liberal justice?
(i mean, now, you could, because McConnell already did it)
You could argue that the stakes are higher for a SCOTUS judge, and as I said above, no two situations are completely analogous.
exactly.
Free college is definitely a thing that is unrealistic, rather than something hugely popular that would finally drive young voters out to the polls.
As stated earlier, we are disagreeing on the degree of what “both sides” are willing to do.
This is proving my point. You’re pulling out something that both sides do and comparing it to something for which there is no precedent and pretending that it’s all the same.
There’s a reason people rightly accuse the democrats of being spineless and weak.
It drove white kids in rural red states states to caucuses, but I didn’t see any evidence that it drove anyone anywhere else.
I think “free” community college, as pushed for by Obama, was absolutely a good idea, whether or not it drove voters to the polls.
Had Hillary won, this could have been incremental change we could all believe in.
Not really that difficult to understand. More times the far left, and this forum is a strong example of it, do not like to address their own possible shortcomings or culpability.
Hence, "this is not a both sides issue." To the far left, there's NO chance that they could possibly be wrong or make a mistake.
I think you're passive aggressive condescending response proves my point.
Vlad is going to be soooooo upset.
This is so sweeping and generalized and confused that I don’t even know what to respond to.