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Old 07-07-2008, 03:31 PM   #441
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this is very interesting.

It could be 48 months.

a nice compromise between Obama - March 08 ? or 16 months ?

and

McCain - 100 years?
I caught that story on NPR on the way home. I'm quite interested to see how the Bush administration responds to this.
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I caught that story on NPR on the way home. I'm quite interested to see how the Bush administration responds to this.
I imagine, a huge "sigh of relief'.
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That's what one might expect, but I have my doubts.
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/\ i think I posted about that twice

now, it is official?


and we now have this



this is very interesting.

It could be 48 months.

a nice compromise between Obama - March 08 ? or 16 months ?

and

McCain - 100 years?

McCain does not have a specific time for the withdrawal of US forces, he only has a prerequisite, that being that Iraq has developed and stabilized enough that it can handle its own internal security situation.
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I caught that story on NPR on the way home. I'm quite interested to see how the Bush administration responds to this.
There may or may not be a timetable, and I'm sure that if there is one, it will be conditional on progress continuing and obviously the Iraqi government could rescind the whole thing at any time if they felt they needed coalition support longer.

This will probably be something that the next administration will be working on rather than the Bush administration.

Things continue to improve in Iraq, and a lot of people including the Maliki government are making some very confident predictions which may just be a little premature at this point.
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McCain does not have a specific time for the withdrawal of US forces, he only has a prerequisite, that being that Iraq has developed and stabilized enough that it can handle its own internal security situation.


This conversation began because it may not be up to the Bush Admin., the McCain Admin or the Obama Admin as to when American troops leave

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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki raised the prospect on Monday of setting a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops as part of negotiations over a new security agreement with Washington.

It was the first time the U.S.-backed Shi'ite-led government has floated the idea of a timetable for the removal of American forces from Iraq. The Bush administration has always opposed such a move, saying it would give militant groups an advantage.

The security deal under negotiation will replace a U.N. mandate for the presence of U.S. troops that expires on December 31.

"Today, we are looking at the necessity of terminating the foreign presence on Iraqi lands and restoring full sovereignty," Maliki told Arab ambassadors in blunt remarks during an official visit to Abu Dhabi, capital of the United Arab Emirates.

"One of the two basic topics is either to have a memorandum of understanding for the departure of forces or a memorandum of understanding to set a timetable for the presence of the forces, so that we know (their presence) will end in a specific time."
If the Iraqi Government sets a date, how can we stay?
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If the Iraqi Government sets a date, how can we stay?
Kinda like the same way you showed up when they didn't want you to?
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Kinda like the same way you showed up when they didn't want you to?
Gangster regime, elected government, whatever.
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This conversation began because it may not be up to the Bush Admin., the McCain Admin or the Obama Admin as to when American troops leave



If the Iraqi Government sets a date, how can we stay?

I never in anyway stated that the United States would. But its far from clear yet if the Iraqi government is going to have any sort of timetable, and even if they do, its going to be something that they can quickly rescind if they feel they need the presence of US and coalition forces for a longer period of time. If the rate of progress continues or gets even faster, thats great, but this security agreement is going to be a lot more complex and cover a lot more issues than simply a date for withdrawal. The Maliki government is feeling very confident these days, but they certainly still want to be able to rely on their biggest supporter if they run into some setbacks down the road.
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Kinda like the same way you showed up when they didn't want you to?
Well, they as in Saddam's regime no longer exist. Of course, there seems to be a lot of people outside Iraq who still wish he was there.
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nobody responded

I guess everyone is on board with merit pay for teachers?
OK - I will respond.....

I do not believe this will help education.
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OK - I will respond.....

I do not believe this will help education.


i agree.

i think it will help teachers help students to cheat.

at least in the way that we currently understand "merit pay" which, as i understand, is linked to test scores.
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Rasmussen Reports: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election.

Congressional Approval Falls to Single Digits for First Time Ever

The percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings has fallen to single digits for the first time in Rasmussen Reports tracking history. This month, just 9% say Congress is doing a good or excellent job. Most voters (52%) say Congress is doing a poor job, which ties the record high in that dubious category.

Last month, 11% of voters gave the legislature good or excellent ratings. Congress has not received higher than a 15% approval rating since the beginning of 2008.

The percentage of Democrats who give Congress positive ratings fell from 17% last month to 13% this month. The number of Democrats who give Congress a poor rating remained unchanged. Among Republicans, 8% give Congress good or excellent ratings, up just a point from last month. Sixty-five percent (65%) of GOP voters say Congress is doing a poor job, down a single point from last month.

Voters not affiliated with either party are the most critical of Congressional performance. Just 3% of those voters give Congress positive ratings, down from 6% last month. Sixty-three percent (63%) believe Congress is doing a poor job, up from 57% last month.

Just 12% of voters think Congress has passed any legislation to improve life in this country over the past six months. That number has ranged from 11% to 13% throughout 2008. The majority of voters (62%) say Congress has not passed any legislation to improve life in America.

Voters hold little positive sentiment about the future. Just 41% find it at least somewhat likely that Congress will address important problems facing our nation in the near future, while 55% find this unlikely.

Despite these negative attitudes towards Congress, Democrats continue to enjoy a double digit lead on the Generic Congressional Ballot.

Most voters (72%) think most members of Congress are more interested in furthering their own political careers. Just 14% believe members are genuinely interested in helping people.

A separate Rasmussen survey found that half of all voters believe America’s best days are in the past. However, another survey found that 64% of voters also believe that the world would be a better place if more countries were similar to the United States.
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^ this is an excellent measure of how the public feels about the general direction of the country, and less a measure of how they feel about their specific Congressional or Senatorial representative.
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that is one way to spin it

the American people are not stoopid



I expect the Democrats, who are in control of the Congress
will be repudiated on election day

there will be significant GOP gains, in the November election
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that is one way to spin it

the American people are not stoopid

and yet, every analyst and pundit alive will tell you precisely what i just told you.



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will be repudiated on election day

there will be significant GOP gains, in the November election



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I think you were talkin to me.

So yeah, with 56+ maybe even 59 0r 60 Democrats
I am taking a leap of faith

that they will grow a pair

will they be able to scrap up one more testes ?
(we know Hillary has one, I read it on Drudge Report).
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There may or may not be a timetable, and I'm sure that if there is one, it will be conditional on progress continuing and obviously the Iraqi government could rescind the whole thing at any time if they felt they needed coalition support longer.


it seems Maliki wants one ...

[q]Iraq raises idea of timetable for US withdrawal

By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA and SEBASTIAN ABBOT – 16 hours ago

BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraq's prime minister said Monday his country wants some type of timetable for a withdrawal of American troops included in the deal the two countries are negotiating.

It was the first time that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has explicitly and publicly called for a withdrawal timetable — an idea opposed by President Bush.

He offered no details. But his national security adviser, Mouwaffak al-Rubaie, told The Associated Press that the government is proposing a timetable conditioned on the ability of Iraqi forces to provide security.

The White House said it did not believe al-Maliki was proposing a rigid timeline for U.S. troop withdrawals.

"Any agreement would not have any hard timetables for withdrawal, but could include the desire by the U.S. and Iraq to withdraw troops based on conditions on the ground," National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said.

"I know that Prime Minister al-Maliki has said that he doesn't want a precipitous withdrawal because of the security consequences," Johndroe said in Toyako, Japan, where President Bush is attending the G-8 summit.

Al-Maliki said in a meeting with Arab diplomats in Abu Dhabi that his country also has proposed a short-term interim memorandum of agreement rather than the more formal status of forces agreement the two sides have been negotiating.

The memorandum "now on the table" includes a formula for the withdrawal of U.S. troops, he said.

"The goal is to end the presence (of foreign troops)," al-Maliki said.[/q]
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The Iraqi proposal stipulates that, once Iraqi forces have resumed security responsibility in all 18 of Iraq's provinces, U.S.-led forces would then withdraw from all cities in the country.

After that, the country's security situation would be reviewed every six months, for three to five years, to decide when U.S.-led troops would pull out entirely, al-Adeeb said.


So far, the United States has handed control of nine of 18 provinces to Iraqi officials.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080708/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

This is what they want, not some rapid unconditional withdrawal in 12 months that does not first insure the security and the stability of the country.
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Iraq presses US on timeline for troop pullout - Yahoo! News

This is what they want, not some rapid unconditional withdrawal in 12 months that does not first insure the security and the stability of the country.

It might not be 12 months.

But, I expect it to include a hard date of no more than 36 - 48 months.

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Iraq insists on withdrawal timetable for US troops

By SALLY BUZBEE, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 53 minutes ago

BAGHDAD - Iraq's national security adviser said Tuesday his country will not accept any security deal with the United States unless it contains specific dates for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces.


The comments by Mouwaffak al-Rubaie were the strongest yet by an Iraqi official about the deal now under negotiation with U.S. officials. They came a day after Iraq's prime minister first said publicly that he expects the pending troop deal with the United States to have some type of timetable for withdrawal.

I deal with timetables, all the time.

Timetables do have "ranges". They also have end dates.

The "timetable" just allows some flex for a "short date" that many prefer.

And an "extended date" that others are more comfortable with.
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This is what they want, not some rapid unconditional withdrawal in 12 months that does not first insure the security and the stability of the country.


no one wants this. why do you keep pretending that someone does?
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