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And if they not only win but restore US foreign policy without violating international law instead of bullying the UN, the pacifists will be happy too!
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With the current situation, the US probably couldn't even invade North Korea or Iran. It was even said Darfur would be too much of a stretch. By the way, the Bush administration is already talking to Iran. Remember the press conference where Dana Perino went out of her way to tell the press that there is no negotiation going on? The times of "You have to earn and deserve me talking to you" are hopefully over soon, which nevertheless doesn't mean they are giving in or allowing Iran and other regimes to do whatever they want. It's just easier to get to some kind of agreement when you engage with each other in talks. Something the Bush government apparently eventually realized and yet tries to deny at all cost. |
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If you mean Kool-Aid as in propaganda I could say the same for you. I would be tempted to have Obama win to prove my point but then just the weakness of the U.S. having a campaign was enough for Russia to make a move on Georgia. They also are egging on the U.S. sabre-rattling style in regards to another cold war. China has already threatened to use military action on Taiwan by 2020 if Taiwan doesn't join them. N. Korea never listens to the U.S. and now has leadership issues like Cuba.
Kool-Aid or no, there are definately enemies out there and asking our enemies for help is like pouring blood into the ocean and then going for a swim in it. Pelosi could possibly be the stupidist American politician I've ever seen. |
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![]() Then you completely misunderstood my post... I said nothing about military spending. I said you don't fight a war that costs your country 10 billion a month while making tax cuts! That's just fuzzy conservative math for you... |
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Vincent, do you really want to discuss US military now? I´m pretty sure our fellow sportsmen ready for the Navy Cross would love to, but my radar says this thread title is election.. and we´re too used to get long winded 2 paged derailing replies on that topic..
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Yes there are enemies, but when did peace talks become a bad word? The conservative superhero Reagan knew when to use them, but now all of a sudden all conservatives have short term memory(must be caused by the Kool-Aid) and sabre rattling is the only way... |
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![]() The fuzzy math has to do with democrats focussing on the cost of the war and not health care and education entitlements that costed more. Boondoggle spending needs to be looked at first before the war. The war is a necessity. This goes along with my point that if America is barely keeping the bullies at bay cutting and running in Iraq and Afghanistan because it costs too much then western democracies are in a jam. Dictators can make actions with confidence that the U.S. will do little to stop them. |
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"Conservative Superhero"???????????????????? You couldn't have been around in the early 80's. In his first term he was KING SABRE RATTLER!!! Many people from all political leanings thought he was going to start World War Three. Especially in his first term, Pre- Gorbechev. |
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However, when you plan to increase that budget even further in order to fight two wars at a time you shouldn't at the same time cut back income on taxes drastically. And I think that was the point BVS was trying to make, too, though I could be wrong. Don't increase the budged excessively on the one hand and cut back your main source of income on the other. It's almost like a family where the breadwinner is dropping out of work, yet they buy an expensive new home which they have to pay of over decades with a too small income by the other partner. |
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see what I did there? Yes he was dangerous that wasn't my point, the point was he finally came around and embraced negotiations, and that's something conservatives have forgotten. |
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Bill Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act into law, the final nail in the coffin of Glass-Steagall. Barack Obama has the second highest amount of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac in the last decade, topped only by Chris Dodd. Disgraced former Fannie chairman Jim Johnson was also booted off Obama's VP exploratory committee. Conflict of interest for Obama perhaps? Many people also consider that the Greenspan Fed may have kept interest rates too low for too long as the economy rebounded from 9/11. Monetary policy plays a big role in the credit bubble as well. The above is not to indict Democrats, hardly that, because Republicans have always been for de-regulation up to this point, and the Bush Adminstration has been hands off on policing mortgages. But it really is baloney to blame a single political party when everyone's hand has been in the cookie jar. Not to mention a complete lack of "nuance". |
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I would agree, neo-liberalism was a false prophet that was believed in for much too long by both sides of the aisle.
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Stabbbing Bush in the back after pretending to agree with him on balancing the budget is a track record that does apply to today. The only time I saw less partisanship was when the republicans sought to reform welfare and cut spending. Bill Clinton didn't get in the way with his line item veto. Most of the time there has been partisanship, and I think that will always be the case because Democrats and Republicans cannot compromise on their core beliefs. This campaign is partisan. Hillary Clinton complimenting McCain during the primaries and denouncing him during the DNC is a perfect example. Hillary Clinton boycotting the U.N. demonstration regarding Iran because Sarah Palin is there is partisanship. Let's face it. That's the way it's going to be most of the time. McCain and Palin are attacking Obama on his ideas. There's no way you can avoid having to debate and try to prove you are right to the public. The question is whether Conservatives are just going to compromise on their side just because they want to seem "moderate", or are the Democrats going to compromise for the same reason. Partisanship is only bad if people side with a point of view they know is wrong simply because the rest of the party believes it. Being partisan when you are staying true to your core beliefs is completely appropriate. What's wrong with sticking to your core beliefs? If you go across the isle too often you will get back stabbed. It's just a matter of time. People are too scared of saying what they believe and too lazy to convince people. Washington lobbyists for special interest groups that want a foothold on taxpayer dollars are worried and they should be. |
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STING, why on God's earth are you trying to defend George W. Bush as a "popular" President???? ![]() Gimme a break. Bush could've won 100% of the vote 4 years ago. The guy's fucking approval rating is 30%. Give it a fucking rest.
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"Vote Bush. Why change horseman mid-apocalypse?"
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