US 08 Presidential Campaign General Discussion Thread #8

[2861U2]

Score a negative, lying, deceitful ad for Obama:

Political Punch

I bet his team was behind Palin's personal emails being hacked, too. For all those people in this forum who, somehow, have yet to believe that Obama has crossed the line, please defend this, both the ad and the emails.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

I bet his team was behind Palin's personal emails being hacked, too

Weren't you earlier on complaining about all the unfair rumors being spread in this campaign?

[anitram]

So we should defend your unsubstantiated accusations?

[Vincent Vega]

First: If you immigrate to our country, you have to speak the native language.

Good luck, Rush.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

Score a negative, lying, deceitful ad for Obama:

Political Punch

I bet his team was behind Palin's personal emails being hacked, too. For all those people in this forum who, somehow, have yet to believe that Obama has crossed the line, please defend this, both the ad and the emails.

Unfortunately I have a problem seeing the video on that site, so I'll have to take the blog writer's word for it. It definitely does appear misleading and the link between Limbaugh and McCain isn't justified. It's a poor ad. Nowhere near as bad as McCain's sex ed ad, however.

As for you asking us to defend the emails, I think it's you who should defend such an outlandish accusation. I don't suppose you would happen to have a shred of evidence to support that "bet," would you?

[yolland]

As far as the ad goes, yes, tying McCain's immigration record with Limbaugh's statements is definitely deceitful.

As far as the email allegations go, you're turning around and doing exactly the same thing yourself by saying "bet the Obama campaign did it."

[phillyfan26]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

Score a negative, lying, deceitful ad for Obama:

Political Punch

I bet his team was behind Palin's personal emails being hacked, too. For all those people in this forum who, somehow, have yet to believe that Obama has crossed the line, please defend this, both the ad and the emails.

You were the one who said he had done this before, and failed to prove Obama had done anything to remotely "cross the line" before.

That said, this is a deceitful ad, in a similar vein to the McCain ad about the pig and the lipstick, although McCain's was a blatant lie and this is accusing McCain of guilt by association.

And, as Diemen said, this doesn't touch the sex ed ad.

This ad is disappointing.

[phillyfan26]

Oh, and to say Obama's team was probably behind the e-mail thing without a shred of proof other than the fact that he's running against your candidate is just stupid.

[kellyahern]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Polit Tsk Tsk Tsk: Sarah Palin Baby Name Generator

Mine is Bowl Antler Palin

Taupe Armageddon Palin here

[financeguy]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

Thankfully Senator Obama has continued to backpedal on his tax policies since the general election campaign started. The article below mentions income tax but he has also moderated on capital gains taxes lately.



Obama: Recession Could Delay Rescinding Bush Tax Cuts

You can forget about any tax cuts. There will be none.

[VintagePunk]

Credible feminist organizations have thrown their support to the Obama campaign.

The Associated Press: Women's rights groups endorse Obama for president

Women's rights groups endorse Obama for president

By ANN SANNER – 22 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Women's rights groups endorsed Barack Obama for president Tuesday, asserting the historic selection of a female Republican vice presidential candidate does not make up for John McCain's lack of support on issues important to women.

"We don't think it's much to break a glass ceiling for one woman and leave millions of women behind," said Eleanor Smeal, chairman of the Feminist Majority Political Action Committee.

Smeal was among leaders from six organizations that announced their endorsement of the Democratic presidential nominee at a news conference.

Obama also won the support of the National Organization for Women, which said it has not endorsed a candidate for president since Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro shared the Democratic ticket in 1984. Ferraro was the first female major-party vice presidential candidate.

NOW backed New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in the primaries. "We join with her in saying 'no,'" said NOW President Kim Gandy, referring to a line Clinton used at the Democratic convention last month. "No way, no how, no McCain."

Gandy and Smeal dismissed polls that suggested McCain has received a boost in support from white women after he picked Palin.

"The die is not cast yet," Smeal said.

An Associated Press-GfK Poll of likely voters last week showed Obama's lead among women at 49 percent to 44 percent. The same AP-GfK poll showed that white women are backing McCain over Obama, 53 percent to 40 percent.

Gandy predicted women will quickly swing their support to Obama once they know where Palin stands on the issues. The Alaska governor opposes abortion except in the case of a threat to the mother's life.

However, data from the recent AP-GfK poll suggests that it might be difficult for Obama to win over some white women.

The survey, conducted Sept. 5-10, found 65 percent of working-class white women say Palin shares their values, 71 percent said so of McCain, compared to 52 percent for Obama and 46 percent for Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden.

The McCain campaign said it was unhappy with NOW's decision to endorse Obama.

"It's extremely disappointing that an organization that purports to be an advocate for all women not only opposes but feels compelled to go out of its way to criticize and make negative comments about the only ticket in the presidential race with a woman on the ticket," Palin's spokeswoman Maria Comella said in an e-mail.

Smeal said the organizations have and will continue to protest any sexism in the presidential campaign, but she added, "We think it's time to get off issues such as lipstick and on to the issues, really, that are challenging this nation."

Gandy criticized Republicans for changing their tone on sexism.

"I love it that Republicans have discovered sexism in the media," she said. "Because they didn't see any of it when it was being directed at Hillary Clinton. But once Sarah Palin got a dose of it, which we also pointed out, they were all over it." She did not explain how her group defended Palin from sexism.

Obama was also endorsed by leaders from Business and Professional Women/USA, the National Association of Social Workers, the National Congress of Black Women and the Women's Information Network.

[Lila64]

Originally Posted by kellyahern

Taupe Armageddon Palin here

Fleck Rookie Palin

[DrTeeth]

"It's extremely disappointing that an organization that purports to be an advocate for all women not only opposes but feels compelled to go out of its way to criticize and make negative comments about the only ticket in the presidential race with a woman on the ticket," Palin's spokeswoman Maria Comella said in an e-mail.

Wow, this spokeswoman really doesn't get it, does she?

[Se7en]

Originally Posted by Diemen

Unfortunately I have a problem seeing the video on that site, so I'll have to take the blog writer's word for it. It definitely does appear misleading and the link between Limbaugh and McCain isn't justified. It's a poor ad. Nowhere near as bad as McCain's sex ed ad, however.

yeah, this one is gettin' real ugly real fast.

[Utoo]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Polit Tsk Tsk Tsk: Sarah Palin Baby Name Generator

Mine is Bowl Antler Palin

'Steve' gives me Drill Swollen Palin.

'Stephen' gives me Knife Pile Palin.


Honestly, I think both names appear to be lewd commands....

[yolland]

Originally Posted by yolland

As far as the ad goes, yes, tying McCain's immigration record with Limbaugh's statements is definitely deceitful.

You know, I was just thinking that how the McCain campaign responds to this ad could be quite revealing. Will he dare to disassociate himself from Limbaugh?

[Earnie Shavers]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

I bet his team was behind Palin's personal emails being hacked, too.

First and foremost, there is absolutely zero to be gained from this by the Obama campaign. A highly offensive personal attack that really reveals nothing of any substance other than some cute personal photos of her family no doubt gains her nothing but truckloads of sympathy. Think about it. It’s not like there are hot steamy emails there revealing a three-way affair between her, Cindy McCain and Mike Huckabee. There’s no evidence of her stupidity (and no need to go looking for it) or anything criminal. There’s nothing remotely embarrassing in it for her. It makes the hackers look (rightly) terrible, directs sympathy towards her, and absolutely nothing gained in return. To think it would have been backed by the Obama campaign or under their instructions is absolutely ridiculous. They would be seriously pissed that something like this has happened, it’s nothing but a free kick for her.

Plus, it happens all the time now - people like Lindsay Lohan getting their private email/phone/myspace/photos hacked and splashed all over these kind of sites all the time. That Palin uses a private Yahoo account has been fairly well documented in the news as well recently, has it not? I think you can safely put it down to the same sort of people after the same sort of results. Nothing more.

[Utoo]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

Score a negative, lying, deceitful ad for Obama:

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If only Senator McCain had done as Obama had asked and not been a complete douchebag, the tone of this campaign would be very different. This is a "tough race."

I bet his team was behind Palin's personal emails being hacked, too. For all those people in this forum who, somehow, have yet to believe that Obama has crossed the line, please defend this, both the ad and the emails.

Actually, I wouldn't put it past McCain's team to have done it themselves to continue their lame portrayal of Palin as a victim of unfair and cruel opponents.

[financeguy]

Hopefully, the tide is turning back in Obama's direction...what was it Clinton said....'It's the economy, stupid'.

[VintagePunk]

Originally Posted by Utoo

Actually, I wouldn't put it past McCain's team to have done it themselves to continue their lame portrayal of Palin as a victim of unfair and cruel opponents.

The group "Anonymous," the same group that went after Scientology earlier this year, have admitted in a press release to hacking her e-mail account. They must be in cahoots with the Obama campaign. That's my guess.

Originally Posted by financeguy

Hopefully, the tide is turning back in Obama's direction

I've read in several places today that it is. The novelty is wearing off of Palin, and she's losing her sheen due to her lack of understanding of crucial issues, and McCain's getting slammed for saying that "the economy is fundamentally strong."