US 08 Presidential Campaign General Discussion Thread #8

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by namkcuR

You posted this same thing last night. One has nothing to do with the other. For starters, the clip you post is an obviously doctored clip. The creator makes no effort to make it look like it's real.

Secondly, Olbermann was ripping the guy a new one for making fun of Jon Stewart's monologue on the first Daily Show after 9/11 - a monologue that YOU complimented in the 9/11 thread.

I don't understand why you're posting an unfunny doctored clip in response to a special comment.

I don't understand how Olbermann can say McCain and Republicans have phony tears about September 11th when he scolded Gibson for saying someone had phony tears. I read your explanation a few pages back, and I just don't get it. How is this not hypocrisy?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by namkcuR

You posted this same thing last night. One has nothing to do with the other. For starters, the clip you post is an obviously doctored clip. The creator makes no effort to make it look like it's real.

Secondly, Olbermann was ripping the guy a new one for making fun of Jon Stewart's monologue on the first Daily Show after 9/11 - a monologue that YOU complimented in the 9/11 thread.

I don't understand why you're posting an unfunny doctored clip in response to a special comment.

I think the point is Keith said he would never doubt the sincerity of anyone's pain, and is now calling McCain's use of 9/11 as phony crocidle tears...

It is hypocritical.

[diamond]

Didn't Oberman and Matthews get demoted?

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[Utoo]

No, I think Olbermann's main point is that McCain and the Republicans, as they did in 2004, are politicizing 9/11 to their advantage. The RNC said they were going to pay a special tribute to 9/11 with a video that even children should see. What they did instead was show some of the most horrific pictures in order to rile up old emotions, and cheer on stories of a war hero who "knows" how to capture bin Laden & protect our country.

Politics, not tribute.

[Utoo]

Originally Posted by diamond

Didn't Oberman and Matthews get demoted?

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Yes, Matthews is now a Second Lieutenant, and Olbermann is now Tom Brokaw's personal assistant.



SCORE!

[namkcuR]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

I don't understand how Olbermann can say McCain and Republicans have phony tears about September 11th when he scolded Gibson for saying someone had phony tears. I read your explanation a few pages back, and I just don't get it. How is this not hypocrisy?

It's not hypocrisy because Stewart had no crocodile tears. Gibson was making shit up for his own idiotic amusement. The GOP's exploitation of 9/11 as a political tool is absolutely real.

Gibson was acting like Stewart was faking his emotions, something nobody in their right mind would think. It was stupid. That's why Olbermann called him out, for implying crocodile tears in a situation where the clearly weren't any.

LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of people in their right mind see the reality of the GOP's exploitation of 9/11. Olbermann is calling this situation out because everybody sees it. It is legitimate. Not a baseless, idiotic, insensitive, attention-grabbing ploy like Gibson's claims.

[namkcuR]

Originally Posted by Utoo

No, I think Olbermann's main point is that McCain and the Republicans, as they did in 2004, are politicizing 9/11 to their advantage. The RNC said they were going to pay a special tribute to 9/11 with a video that even children should see. What they did instead was show some of the most horrific pictures in order to rile up old emotions, and cheer on stories of a war hero who "knows" how to capture bin Laden & protect our country.

Politics, not tribute.

Thank you.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Utoo

No, I think Olbermann's main point is that McCain and the Republicans, as they did in 2004, are politicizing 9/11 to their advantage. The RNC said they were going to pay a special tribute to 9/11 with a video that even children should see. What they did instead was show some of the most horrific pictures in order to rile up old emotions, and cheer on stories of a war hero who "knows" how to capture bin Laden & protect our country.

Politics, not tribute.

Yes Republicans have crossed the line several times and politicized 9/11, but Keith could have said it differently. The whole "crocodile tears" part doesn't sit well with the previous clip.

[Utoo]

Originally Posted by BonoVoxSupastar

Yes Republicans have crossed the line several times and politicized 9/11, but Keith could have said it differently. The whole "crocodile tears" part doesn't sit well with the previous clip.

I do think the delivery was over the top, but the point is valid.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Utoo

I do think the delivery was over the top, but the point is valid.

Fair enough.

[namkcuR]

Originally Posted by BonoVoxSupastar

Yes Republicans have crossed the line several times and politicized 9/11, but Keith could have said it differently. The whole "crocodile tears" part doesn't sit well with the previous clip.

He said he would never doubt anyone's pain. There is no 'pain' in the GOP regarding 9/11 to doubt, at least not in any of the people he is referring to, at least not that they've shown publicly in YEARS. It's not like the Romney/Guiliani/whoever speeches about 9/11 at the convention seemed at all sincere. It's not like they weren't completely politically transparent. It's not like they all looked like they MIGHT be in some real emotional pain and therefore we should give them the benefit of the doubt.

It is not at all the same situation as the Stewart clip that was being mocked in the earlier clip. The two are not comparable imo.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by Utoo

I do think the delivery was over the top

Over the top delivery from Olbermann?????

NO!! It can't be!!!!








Good night and good luck

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by Diemen

Good night and good luck

You forgot to crumple your paper and throw it angrily at the camera.

[namkcuR]

Hmm...

Rasmussen Poll with an end date of 09/07 had McCain up by 7 in Ohio - 51-44.

But a Quinnipiac poll with an end date of 09/09 and a sample size nearly three times larger than that of the Rasmussen poll has Obama up by 5 - 49-44. Interesting.

Also of interest, the most recent CNN/Time poll for New Hampshire, with an end date of 09/09 - looks to be the most recent poll we have for NH at this point - has Obama's lead increased to six points - 51-45.

Of concern is that the most recent poll for New Mexico - a Rasmussen poll with an end date of 09/08 - has McCain suddenly ahead by two points - 49-47, where Obama had had a fairly comfortable advantage there up to this point.

No recent enough polls for Indiana, but rumblings are the the Obama campaign's internal polling says that Indiana is close enough for them to take out considerable television ad time and maybe schedule some campaign appearances there.

Still waiting for a new poll for Nevada - nothing beyond 08/26 there.

All recent polling suggests that Obama still has a slim lead in Colorado.

Rasmussen poll with an end date of 09/07 has McCain up by 2 in Virginia - 49-47, as does a SurveyUSA poll with an end date of 09/07, while a CNN/Time poll with an end date of 09/09 has McCain up by 4 there - 50-46.

CNN/Time gives Obama a 4 point - 49-45 - lead in Michigan as of 09/09, while two other polls give him a 1 point - 45-44 and 47-46 - lead in Michigan as of 09/07.

In Pennsylvania, as of 09/09, Quinnipiac has Obama up by 3 - 48-45, while as of 09/07, Rasmussen and Strategic Vision have him up by 2 - 47-45. Many are suggesting that Pennsylvania is not as close as it looks - that it will go Obama.

In Florida, a Rasmussen poll with an end date of 09/07 has it tied, while three other polls - PPP with an end date of 09/07, Quinnipiac with an end date of 09/09, and InAdv/Pollposition with an end date of 09/10 - have McCain up by 5 - 50-45, 7 - 50-43, and 8 - 50-42, respectively.

Interesting times.

[Irvine511]

factcheck.org gets pissed:

Those attacks on Palin that we debunked didn't come from Obama.

Summary

A McCain-Palin ad has FactCheck.org calling Obama's attacks on Palin "absolutely false" and "misleading." That's what we said, but it wasn't about Obama.

Our article criticized anonymous e-mail falsehoods and bogus claims about Palin posted around the Internet. We have no evidence that any of the claims we found to be false came from the Obama campaign.

The McCain-Palin ad also twists a quote from a Wall Street Journal columnist. He said the Obama camp had sent a team to Alaska to "dig into her record and background." The ad quotes the WSJ as saying the team was sent to "dig dirt."

Update, Sept. 10: Furthermore, the Obama campaign insists that no researchers have been sent to Alaska and that the Journal owes them a correction.
Analysis
We don't object to people reprinting our articles. In fact, our copyright policy encourages it. But we've also asked that "the editorial integrity of the article be preserved" and told those who use our items that "you should not edit the original in such a way as to alter the message."

[Dreadsox]

Hah, started a thread on this 24 hours ago...hehe

[financeguy]

Originally Posted by BonoVoxSupastar

He is. Like I said before he's riding her coattails right now, when some of you realize her coattails aren't long enough you're going to realize you picked the wrong guy, and your wrong guy picked the wrong woman.

You are really offering a hostage to fortune with statements like that.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Dreadsox

Hah, started a thread on this 24 hours ago...hehe

where? sorry i missed it.

[Dreadsox]

It's ok....

I even attached the Campaign fund raising letter McCain is sending to potential supports trying to make $$$ off of the web smears.

[Lila64]

Did anyone watch Obama on Letterman last night? In case you missed it

YouTube - David Letterman-Obama-Prt-1-Sept-10-2008

YouTube - David Letterman-Obama-Prt-2-Sept-10-2008

YouTube - David Letterman-Obama-Prt-3-Sept-10-2008