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Old 11-01-2002, 12:18 AM   #1
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The Whoring Of Paul Wellstone's Memorial Service

Supposed to be a Memoria/Funeral Service for Senator Paul Wellstone.
The memorial/funeral service turns into a friggin rally for Democratic causes..
Republicans in attendance are booed
Whats up w that?

The Vice President of United States Dick Cheney expressed his desire to attend -to represent The White House and to offer his/their condolences.
The Vice President Of The United States is denied access to the funeral..
He was asked not to attend by The Wellstone Camp.
Wellstone Camp reason? cited the need for added security as an "inconvience" for ppl attending Memorial Service(Pep Rally)..hmm

So much for open-minded bi-partisan compassion by those who claim to have the market cornered on these traits..

Way to go some of you Democrats -you showed your true colors
How well you whored yourselves out that night.
Your Govenor even walked out of your Funeral/ Memorial Service..onced it became a "pep-rally"
Shame on you..

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it was sickening

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Your Govenor even walked out of your Funeral/ Memorial Service..onced it became a "pep-rally"
Shame on you..

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I hope you meant "your" as in Minnesota's governor. Ventura is an Independent.
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Added security? Hahaha...considering half the senate and Bill Clinton was there, how much more security could there be?
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Re: it was sickening

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I hope you meant "your" as in Minnesota's governor. Ventura is an Independent.
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Hes Minn's Govenor.
Govenor to Minn's-
Republicans
Democrats
Independents..

Your Gov a Reg Independent walked out of the event after he saw it was turning into a side-show in utter disgust...

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Cheney’s people wanted permission to set up a twenty foot perimeter to guarantee that he could not be served with lawsuits, subpoenas, etc. It is dangerous for him to come out of hiding. Awful kind of him to consider it.














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[QUOTE]Originally posted by deep
[B]Cheney’s people wanted permission to set up a twenty foot perimeter to guarantee that he could not be served with lawsuits, subpoenas, etc. It is dangerous for him to come out of hiding. Awful kind of him to consider it.

Thats not what I heard.
Hillary offered to let Dick hide behind her skirt..for protection- but Bill was already there
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Not Cool

Even without Cheney there.....

The whole thing was not cool....

I guess it is a sign as to how desperate the whole situation is in the Senate.....


I am saddened at the loss of Wellstone. I think Democracy works best when we have divergent views, and decent people who can express them. It was obvious even his opponents respected him.

Too bad about the service.....

May the backlash be equal to the behavior of the speakers at the memorial.



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Even without Cheney there.....

The whole thing was not cool....

I guess it is a sign as to how desperate the whole situation is in the Senate.....


I am saddened at the loss of Wellstone. I think Democracy works best when we have divergent views, and decent people who can express them. It was obvious even his opponents respected him.

Too bad about the service.....

May the backlash be equal to the behavior of the speakers at the memorial.



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Agreed. Too many "high-fives" and cheers for Mondale.
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I thought it was all pretty shameful, too.
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It made me nauseous.

I am glad thought that some people had the sack to get up and walk out of that charade.

Wellstone would NOT have liked that.
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I understand your point Diamond, I will just state that Mrs. Chaney was flying to Wellstoone's state to endorse his competetor at the time of his death.

The family just did not want her there and in turn he was asked not to come.

The whole thing was a mess, however, I stand by the fact that you have a right to have whomever you want at your memorial service...
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Agreed. Too many "high-fives" and cheers for Mondale.
Well, Mondale supposedly used a U2 song as his background music during a recent rally. At least according to this Slate article:

http://slate.msn.com/?id=2073357

He can't be all bad!
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Mondale isn't half bad. He's a good candidate for the job (certainly not a replacement). The polls indicate that Mondale has the same lead over Coleman as Wellstone did.



About Lynne Cheney...she had just been here in Sioux Falls, SD and I just really think she had no place at the memorial...or at what a memorial should be.


I'm proud of my governor for walking out on that, and anybody else who did deserves mad props. Whatever that was, Wellstone would not have appreciated it.
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20,000 people including many Republicans come to the memorial, but Lynne Cheney cannot?!?! Please explain.
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*never said Lynne couldn't go. i just think it was odd that the Cheney's so badly wanted to go.
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Lilly-
I think having a person there representing the Presidency of United States was the appropiate thing to do..regardless of Polictical Affliation.
Thats all Mr Cheney was trying to do..
And Im sorry..
Hillary doesnt count-regardless of what she says..

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They should have had a private memorial service. The rah-rah session should have been postponed until after the election.

It seems odd to me that such a public memorial for a U.S. Senator would have discouraged a Presidential representative. Such a representative would be the normal thing....unless of course it was really just a political rally.

I guess it is hard for some people to separate the person from the politics.
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The Vice-President was given the heads up as to what was about to happen. The were at least polite enough to let him know, and they decided to use security to cover their bases.


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A memorial disservice to Paul Wellstone

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Thursday, October 31, 2002



When Liberace died, Frank Sinatra officially said: "That he was a consummate artist is not really as important as my telling you he was one of the finest human beings I've ever known." A mutual friend asked Frank whether he really meant it or, come to that, whether he'd even seen the press release before it went out. "What the hell," shrugged Frank, "he was an annoying little fag, but I liked the guy."

Personally, I find Sinatra's off-the-record version far more warm and human and specific to the deceased than the on-the-record not-entirely-convincing boilerplate. But on the passing of a public figure the small amount of genuine private grief gets ladled over it a treacly avalanche of ersatz public grief -- and for that, for the most part, no genuine human emotion is required.

So it is with Senator Paul Wellstone, who died on Friday in a plane crash in northern Minnesota. In Canada or Europe, the Senator would have been an unexceptional figure -- a middle-rank Health Minister in your average Continental Social Democratic-led governing coalition. But in Washington terms that made him the most left-wing member of the United States Senate. How should conservatives remember him? Left to my own devices, I'd have stolen Frank's line: "What the hell, he was an annoying little high-tax statist, but I liked the guy." Which was, broadly, true. I'd barely heard of Wellstone before I covered the Clinton impeachment trial in 1999, but on the three or four occasions I ran into him during the Monica era I found him considerably less creepy than most of his desiccated colleagues, even if he was wrong on pretty much everything.

But the metaphorical press agent in my head kept saying, whoa, man, talk about faint praise; c'mon, it'd be so easy to borrow Frank's other line: "That he was a consummate socialist is not really as important as my telling you he was one of the finest human beings I've ever known." Alas, by the time of Wellstone's memorial on Tuesday, such grudging understatement was no longer acceptable.

On Tuesday, 20,000 close personal friends gathered in the sombre cloisters of the U of M basketball arena to pay tribute to his life and memory in a service that made the Iranian obsequies for the Ayatollah Khomeini seem a model of taste and restraint. There would have been 20,001, but, in keeping with the bipartisan spirit of the event, Vice-President Dick Cheney was told to stay away. Governor Jesse Ventura, Senate Republican Leader Trent Lott and former Republican Senator Rod Helms were allowed in, but just so the mourners could boo them. If you missed the three-and-a-half-hour live broadcast on all Minnesota channels, here's the short version of the Democratic eulogies:

"Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your votes."

But let's take a look at the longer version. The Reverend Jesse Jackson compared the late Senator to Martin Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi. That sounds pretty impressive, until you remember that, at the memorial for NBA star Len Bias, who died of a cocaine overdose, the Rev. Jesse compared the deceased to King, Gandhi, Mozart and Jesus Christ -- "all young, gifted, strong and militant, all taken in the prime of their lives." Evidently, Senator Wellstone wound up with the condensed version of Jesse's standard eulogistic shtick, as indeed did Jesse himself when in 1988 he was compared to Dr. King and Gandhi by Jimmy Carter. It would be interesting to know what a Democrat has to do not to get compared to King and Gandhi, though I recall that, at the height of his Monica troubles, Bill Clinton was reduced to comparing himself to Dr. King.

But this is standard guff: With digital technology, there's no reason why Jesse can't go on comparing folks to Gandhi long after he's dead. Next came Mark Wellstone, the Senator's son, bellowing into the microphone "We will win! We will win! We will win!" as the crowd bayed its approval. This seemed a little off-message, given that his dad had just been seen on video saying, "Politics is not about winning for the sake of winning." But there's an election on Tuesday and right now winning for the sake of winning is what it's all about.

Well, OK, the kid's still in shock. He'll cringe with embarrassment in years to come if they ever show a clip on TV, but cut him some slack, he's under a ton of pressure from the party heavyweights, let it go. Next came longtime Wellstone sidekick Rick Kahn, who urged everyone to "set aside the partisan bickering" by prostrating themselves before Paul's shrine. In a cheerfully totalitarian moment, he demanded that those political opponents present -- identified by name -- see the error of their ways and help "win this election for Paul Wellstone."

But, OK, Rick Kahn's one of those obsessive political aides who's invested his entire life in some other guy and now that guy's gone and you can't blame him for getting carried away. So on came Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa to declare that Wellstone "never took himself too seriously" and "never had to proclaim his decency." What a schmuck! Harkin relentlessly proclaimed Wellstone's and by extension his own decency, and he was deadly serious about it. And round about then you realized it really doesn't matter now who Paul Wellstone was or what he did. That Wellstone has ceased to exist. And what's taken his place -- a stew of beatified Jesse-Harkinite clichés -- is just a bloody shroud to rouse the faithful and bully the rest.

There's nothing for the Republicans in this, except the certainty that their hopes of taking back the Senate are being interred with Mahatma Luther Wellstone. Democrats have perfected the art of being simultaneously maudlin and vicious, ruthlessly partisan in their pious denunciations of partisanship. By Saturday, Walter Mondale had been tapped to replace Wellstone. You remember -- Vice-President under Carter, linchpin of the Administration that gave America energy crises, double-digit inflation, Cuban troops in Angola, American hostages in Tehran, the good old days. When Republicans began cautiously dusting off Mondale's résumé, the Democrats' hatchet men stopped sobbing long enough to turn up on CNN and berate the GOP for being so tasteless as even to mention the election. "Couldn't they wait until Paul is in the ground?" Nevada Senator Harry Reid demanded. "And his wife and his child?" Thou shalt not speak ill of the dead, or the old guy we found to substitute for the dead.

But here's the thing. Even as Senator Reid was huffing, the Democrats were already filing their first election lawsuit against Minnesota's Secretary of State: Ask not for whom the chad hangs, it hangs for thee! Palm Beach comes to International Falls! The Democrats are already suing because the post-Wellstone supplemental ballot, among other deficiencies, doesn't include instructions in Russian or Hmong, which is, as I'm sure you know, the language of the Hmong people. Couldn't the Dems wait to go to court until Paul is in the ground? And his wife and his child?

Silly question. Even now, Jesse is working on rhymes for Hmong, and Ted Kennedy is practising denouncing Republican hate-Hmongers without sounding like he's hiccuping.

Of all the many memorials Jesse Jackson has attended, he never spoke truer words than at the service for Ron Brown, Bill Clinton's Commerce Secretary, who also died in a plane crash: "When a ghetto boy with a dream rises above his predicament, and when he dies, billionaires become 'others,' " said Jesse, "that's a long journey." The Rev was referring to the brutal billing of sudden death: Ron Brown was the star on his fatal flight, and news reports listed the CEOs travelling with him only as "others."

Just so. In a celebrity plane crash, there's only room for one Patsy Cline, everyone else is Cowboy Copas, her fellow passenger that day. Wellstone died with his wife, his daughter, three aides and two pilots, and in death as in life billing prevails. It might have been nice if, in among all the partisan rallying, the speakers had managed to spare a thought for those caught up by a quirk of fate in this circus. But Senator Harkin didn't bother mentioning them and to David Wellstone they were simply "the pilots." For the record, they were Richard Conry, 55, and Michael Guess, 30.

But they didn't matter to Senator Harkin and nor, in the end, does Paul Wellstone. He's an abstract now. It says something that, of the two Senate Democrats not to make it to election day, there was more honesty in the ghastly emotional masturbation of sleazy Bob Torricelli's resignation speech than in Paul Wellstone's "memorial" "service." To paraphrase Senator Reid, even if Paul's not yet in his grave, I'll bet he's turning in it.

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I thought it was to be a celebration of his life, not a memorial service.
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