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Old 03-26-2013, 10:26 PM   #921
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No one linked the Onion article here?
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:56 PM   #922
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If only: Supreme Court On Gay Marriage: 'Sure, Who Cares' | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

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WASHINGTON—Ten minutes into oral arguments over whether or not homosexuals should be allowed to marry one another, a visibly confounded Supreme Court stopped legal proceedings Tuesday and ruled that gay marriage was “perfectly fine” and that the court could “care less who marries whom.”

“Yeah, of course gay men and women can get married. Who gives a shit?” said Chief Justice John Roberts, who interrupted attorney Charles Cooper’s opening statement defending Proposition 8, which rescinded same-sex couples’ right to marry in California. “Why are we even seriously discussing this?”

“Does anyone else up here care about this?” Roberts added as his eight colleagues began shaking their heads and saying, “No,” “Nah,” and “I also don’t care about this.” “Great. Same-sex marriage is legal in the United States of America. Do we have anything of actual import on the docket, or are we done for the day?”

Before Roberts officially ended proceedings, sources confirmed that all nine justices were reportedly dumbfounded, asking why the case was even coming before them and wondering aloud if some sort of mistake had been made. Calling marriage equality a “no-brainer,” members of the High Court appeared not just confused but irritated when Proposition 8 defenders argued that gay marriage was not a national issue but a state matter.

Moreover, when Attorney Cooper said that gay marriage could harm the moral fabric of the country and hurt the institution of marriage, Associate Justice Sotomayor asked, “What are you even talking about?” while Justice Anthony Kennedy reportedly muttered, “You got to be fucking kidding me,” under his breath.

“I have to interject, Mr. Cooper,” Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said as the attorney argued that the government has legitimate reasons to discourage same-sex couples from getting married. “Do you honestly care this much about this issue? Because if you do, you’re a real goddamn idiot. Actually, you sound as dumb as dog shit, and you are wasting our time.”

“Should gay marriage be legal?” Ginsburg continued. “Yes. Done. Case closed. Goodbye. Christ, were we seriously scheduled to spend the next few months debating this?”

Even the typically conservative wing of the court maintained that, despite their personal views, it would be “downright silly” for them to rule that same-sex marriage was unconstitutional.

“I’m a strict Originalist, Mr. Cooper, and I’m looking at a 14th Amendment that forbids any state from denying any person equal protection of the law,” Associate Justice Antonin Scalia said. “So, unless we are the most uncivilized society on the face of God’s green earth, I think we can all agree that a gay person is in fact a person. So what I’m saying is, who the fuck are we to tell a person who he or she can get married to? This is dumb. Can we talk about a real case now, please?”

Before adjourning the court, Roberts said there would be no official opinion on the case because it’s just “common goddamn sense,” and then addressed gay men and women directly.

“Get married, don’t get married, do whatever you want,” Roberts said. “It’s the opinion of this court that we don’t give two shits what you do.”

“C’mon, let’s go get some food,” added Roberts, as the eight other justices followed him out the door.
For the record, I do not subscribe to the belief that all SSM opponents are "dumb as dog shit".
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Two people! There's a reason to ban gay marriage for millions.
Not only that, but the guy's argument is completely idiotic

"Marriage for all exists already in France. We speak of equality before the law. That's equality between individuals, not equality between groups. There is equality in the sense that anyone can get in a male-female couple. There is not equality between couples, but there is equality for individuals."

You must feel proud to have this guy on your side, Indy.

It's a shame. I bet you were so excited when you first read about him
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New Zealand's gay marriage bill passed through committee unaltered.

Now there's just the third reading to go; it should pass and New Zealand will join the 21st century. I will be absolutely gobsmacked if the 77-44 vote in favour of the second reading changes so dramatically that the bill does not pass.

Fuck, that's brilliant.

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For the record, I do subscribe to the opinion that anybody who opposes marriage equality is dumb as dog shit.
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A bit surprised by this... or maybe not. France loves them a riot

Clashes, riot police, at French anti-gay marriage protest - World News
yeah i was surprised too, embarrassed actually...

oh i guess maybe i shouldn't be too surprised - France is much more conservative than it likes to admit... depressing...
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Old 03-27-2013, 06:55 AM   #926
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I think it's too easy to label SSM opponents as "dumb as dog shit". I think using words like overly stubborn, irrational, or even downright hateful is better. But that's just me.
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I think a good word is tortured. Watching the anti-SSM "logic" "evolve" is fascinating -- the lengths people will go to to either justify a prejudice, cling to an interpretation of whatever religious text, or both, in the face of enormous evidence to the contrary, is amazing.

At the end of the day it's a thuddingly simple issue. I hope it ends so we can go back to talking about issues that are much more complicated.
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Old 03-27-2013, 07:24 AM   #928
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That's really interesting from somebody who is pro-life.

Fuck those adopted, unideal, non-biological children.
If one were interested in respectful, informative discourse from the sole dissenting voice they would inquire into the reasoning for specifying biological child over just child.

I note you elected not to pursue that route but instead chose to twist and pervert my words.

Typical of "debate" on this forum which more and more reads like just another Left-wing hate blog.
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If one were interested in respectful, informative discourse from the sole dissenting voice they would inquire into the reasoning for specifying biological child over just child.
I frankly don't need to inquire into the reasoning as it's offensive no matter how much lipstick you slap on that pig.

You were not the first/only anti-SSM person this week to make comments about biological children. It is interesting that it came on the heels of comments about the Chief Justice.
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I spent most of last night stumbling from bar to bar telling every two men or two women I met that I was on their side. Fact: most dudes do NOT want you to think that they're gay.
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I spent most of last night stumbling from bar to bar telling every two men or two women I met that I was on their side. Fact: most dudes do NOT want you to think that they're gay.
Tonight, go to a more gay friendly area so you'll know any two dudes you speak to are gay
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I spent most of last night stumbling from bar to bar telling every two men or two women I met that I was on their side. Fact: most dudes do NOT want you to think that they're gay.
That ends up being a serious issue, at least down here. It's such an apathetic topic outside of the few batshit crazy extremist religious people. Nobody wants to be labeled as gay.

Something I noticed yesterday on Facebook was the fact that everyone who changed their profile picture on my friends list with the whole red HRC logo was either gay or a married woman over 30.

There's a lot more "silent" or apathetic support out there.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:20 AM   #933
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I'd like to change my profile picture to that logo. Too bad my radically conservative family will go batshit insane on me. To be safe, I'll just post articles. I won't be silent but I don't want to stir up anything because I am not exaggerating about my family.
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I spent most of last night stumbling from bar to bar telling every two men or two women I met that I was on their side. Fact: most dudes do NOT want you to think that they're gay.

wait, that was you?
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Jim DeMint, former senator and future president of the Heritage Foundation, writes a column for USA Today opposing gay marriage. But like so many social conservatives, he supports his position with a sleight of hand. DeMint writes:

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Without strong families grounded in marriage, we cannot hold back the ever-expanding power of government. As the marriage culture weakens, Big Government grows. Just look how the welfare state has expanded as the unwed childbearing rate has grown from single digits in the 1960s to more than 40% today.
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Marriage policy exists to encourage a man and a woman to commit to each other permanently and exclusively as husband and wife and to be father and mother to any children. Sound marriage policy strengthens civil society and reduces the role of government.

The erosion of marriage costs taxpayers. And it’s not just conservatives who say this. Even the left-leaning think tank, Brookings Institution, attributed $229 billion in welfare expenditures between 1970 and 1996 to the breakdown of marriage.
Yes indeed. Stable families are less likely to be on welfare. As Ron Haskins and Isabel Sawhill of Brookings write,

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Our research shows that if you want to avoid poverty and join the middle class in the United States, you need to complete high school (at a minimum), work full time and marry before you have children. If you do all three, your chances of being poor fall from 12 percent to 2 percent, and your chances of joining the middle class or above rise from 56 to 74 percent.
But DeMint and other social conservatives make a logical leap when they connect that point to gay marriage. Gay people making the emotional and financial commitments of marriage is not the cause of family breakdown or welfare spending.

When DeMint says that “family breakdown” is causing poverty – and thus a demand for higher government spending – he knows that he’s really talking about unwed motherhood, divorce, children growing up without fathers, and the resulting high rates of welfare usage and crime.

So why raise the problems of broken families and then propose to prevent gay people from getting married? Why all the focus on issues that would do nothing to solve the problems of “family breakdown” and what DeMint has elsewhere called “the high cost of a dysfunctional society”? Well, solving the problems of divorce and unwed motherhood is hard. And lots of Republican and conservative voters have been divorced. A constitutional amendment to ban divorce wouldn’t go over very well with even the social-conservative constituency. A legal ban on premarital sex would address the problem, but even social conservatives realize that it would be an imprudent exercise of state power. Far better to pick on a small group, a group not perceived to be part of the Republican constituency, and blame them for social breakdown and its associated costs.

But you won’t find your keys on Main Street if you dropped them on Green Street, and you won’t reduce the costs of social breakdown by keeping gays unmarried and not letting them adopt orphans.

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I'd like to change my profile picture to that logo. Too bad my radically conservative family will go batshit insane on me. To be safe, I'll just post articles. I won't be silent but I don't want to stir up anything because I am not exaggerating about my family.
Well Im from the same/similar situation. At some point I just stopped caring. Gotta love life ya know?
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Well Im from the same/similar situation. At some point I just stopped caring. Gotta love life ya know?
I know I should care less about what my family thinks of me. But I've been mocked and ridiculed before for openly supporting SSM and it sucked. And I wouldn't be surprised if they think I'm gay because I'm also single at the moment. Can you imagine the ridicule then?

But, meh. What can you do? Screw them, you know?
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I know I should care less about what my family thinks of me. But I've been mocked and ridiculed before for openly supporting SSM and it sucked. And I wouldn't be surprised if they think I'm gay because I'm also single at the moment. Can you imagine the ridicule then?

But, meh. What can you do? Screw them, you know?
Where I come from they still think converting you is an option.

Can I imagine the ridicule? Yeah I live it. That's my point from before though. It shouldn't matter. I know that's not easy though.

Effectively, yes. Screw them. They can think whatever they want. Soon they'll be dated and so will their bigoted views.
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NBC News reporting that the Supreme Court is "likely" to strike down DOMA.
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It's tough to do, not care what anyone thinks, especially family. And you do run the risk of losing them, or alienating them with your views. But would you rather hold your feelings in and pretend to be something just to appease a select few? Live your life, and let those who don't agree with you stand aside.

But back to the SSM. I still don't get what children have to do with this issue? Not every couple that gets married are going to have kids. If that is a requirement, then no female over the age of 45 or so should be allowed to marry or get remarried. Same thing with any male who's been fixed (I would fall into this).

Broken families are a straight couple issue. Let's put the focus as to why families are breaking down. It has nothing to do with Steve marrying Steve.
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