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Old 07-21-2007, 06:26 PM   #501
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with McCain nearly washed up, and the creeping reality that the more "the base" of the Republican Party gets to know of Giuliani the less they like him (this is already happening), it's quite possible that the nomination could be Romney's or Fred Thompson's. and i think both would be destroyed by any of the top four Democratic candidates. the Mormon thing -- whether fair or not -- weighs heavily on Romney, despite the fact that, while i think many of his positions are borderline insane (expand Gitmo!?!?), he does strike me as a grown-up and a competent manager. at least in comparison to the most wildly incompetent child that's ever occupied the white house.

basically, with McCain on the skids, all the Democrats simply come off as far more serious and qualified than any of the rest of the Republcians. like her or hate her, at least Hillary is a grown up and has reams of experience. she isn't my first choice -- i think we need to get beyond the polarization of the Baby Boom as soon as possible -- but i think even her detractors would trust her more with leadership of the country than Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney.

i really do.
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Old 07-21-2007, 06:30 PM   #502
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This is such a myth.

Hillary can, and in my opinion, would beat every single Republican out there. And no, she is not my first pick. But this myth that she's not electable is just that - a myth. She wins the electoral college without great difficulty.

Here's Mitt Romney with absolutely no class:

I'm not saying she's any worse than Republican, but if anyone will unite non-liberals (i.e, the middle ground that Reagan won over and Clinton won back) on the side of the Republicans it would be Hillary.

Let's re-visit this thread if she gets the Dem nod
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He doesn't even really talk like the stiff politician he used to be anymore--he talks like a sincere human being now, sort of like he found his voice and it sounds a lot different than everyone else's whose running.
I agree. He sounds much more sincere and natural ever since he started stumping for the environment. Light years more sincere than Mrs. Clinton. If he carried that vibe over into a presidential campaign, he'd have a winning edge in the national election.

But would he want to give up the charmed life he has now for a fight with the Clinton political machine?
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I think Freddy Thompson is Southern Fried Reagan eventually he'll unite the GOP and will bounced Hillary and Bill back to Little Rock, then they'll divorce.

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I think Freddy Thompson is Southern Fried Reagan eventually he'll unite the GOP and will bounced Hillary and Bill back to Little Rock, then they'll divorce.

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And you take pride in this? Aren't you suppose to support the sanctity of marriage? Hoping for someone's divorce that's almost as low as ranking a sick woman's thread.
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I think Freddy Thompson is Southern Fried Reagan eventually he'll unite the GOP and will bounced Hillary and Bill back to Little Rock, then they'll divorce.

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Hillary will just go back to the Senate, and Clinton will continue to be the most effective ex-president since Jimmy Carter.

Freddy Thompson doesn't care enough or work hard enough. he's another GOP consensus candidate, with that "electability" factor, but after 8 years of this Bush nightmare, voters, Dems and Independents and moderate Republicans, are all hungry for someone who consults people other than a "higher father" and demonstrates at least a modicum of curiosity about the world and how our actions affect that world.

the Bush-effect will be incalcuable. easily one of the worst presidents in history, the GOP will be forever defining themselves in opposition to him, or outright ignorning him.
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Hillary will just go back to the Senate, and Clinton will continue to be the most effective ex-president since Jimmy Carter.

Freddy Thompson doesn't care enough or work hard enough. he's another GOP consensus candidate, with that "electability" factor, but after 8 years of this Bush nightmare, voters, Dems and Independents and moderate Republicans, are all hungry for someone who consults people other than a "higher father" and demonstrates at least a modicum of curiosity about the world and how our actions affect that world.

the Bush-effect will be incalcuable. easily one of the worst presidents in history, the GOP will be forever defining themselves in opposition to him, or outright ignorning him.
Well, they managed to get over Hoover (another Republican president that managed to bungle a national emergency), but it took what, 20 years?
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And you take pride in this? Aren't you suppose to support the sanctity of marriage? Hoping for someone's divorce that's almost as low as ranking a sick woman's thread.
That is pretty bad.
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Does Fred Thompson have any qualifications for the role whatsoever?
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He has a SAG card and he's conservative, that's all the Republicans need.
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He has a SAG card and he's conservative, that's all the Republicans need.

He has a SAG card and he will play a conservative.
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Does Fred Thompson have any qualifications for the role whatsoever?

he served in the Senate.
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Does Fred Thompson have any qualifications for the role whatsoever?
he used to be in law&order, thats kinda cool

does he need anything else to qualify? come on!
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he served in the Senate.
I didn't even know he was on Law and Order until someone else told me because I could only remember him as senator from Tennessee and his role in McCain's campaign in 2000. I think his stint on TV started just before I left the US.
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he used to be in law&order, thats kinda cool

does he need anything else to qualify? come on!
Is he running with Jack McCoy?
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Old 07-24-2007, 06:09 PM   #516
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"What you see is what you get
You've made your bed, you better lie in it
You choose your leaders and place your trust
As their lies wash you down and their promises rust
You'll see kidney machines replaced by rockets and guns

And the public wants what the public gets
But I don't get what this society wants
I'm going underground, (going underground)"


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Let's not forget Thopmson was in the Hunt for Red October... that movie.


I can't stand being undecided. I want someone to rally behind, get excited about, start lining up volunteer work and whatnot, but that just ain't happening for me yet.
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For anybody who is interested, this table provides a simplistic comparison to where the candidates stand on some issues.

http://www.2decide.com/table.htm
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Some of Giuliani's stances on that table surprise me and not in a good way. He's for Guantanamo, torture, and wiretapping. He's for the Iraq war and a troop surge, and possible action against Iran. He also is against troop withdrawal. He is against universal healthcare and a minimum wage increase. I thought he was a bit different on some of these.
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Does Fred Thompson have any qualifications for the role whatsoever?
He's got more than Barack does.
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