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Old 10-11-2005, 01:36 PM   #1
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nuts vandalize church

Sunday four nuts broke into a Catholic church in a town close to my hometown, Birmingham, Alabama. They broke in during Mass. They screamed "this is idolatry" and "the end times are near". Then they grabbed the altar and overturned it. This altar is a cherished item because it comes from an older church. It was moved when two parishes combined. The vandals were arrested by the local police. It's madness. I take it that these people were the really Neanderthal type of fundamentalist Christians.
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freedom of speech?


freedom of religion?


if they have accepted Christ as their lord and savior

Would it be immoral for them to let these people not be saved
without witnessing to them?

Did not Jesus go into a house of worship and do something similar
to people that were following the wrong clergy?
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Fundamentalist Christians are scary. No respect for anyone elses beliefs.
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ugh.

dispicable.
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Must be the "fundamentalist" Christians... who else could it be
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I'm not sure that verte's characterization was incorrect.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/l...l/12810756.htm

On one hand, I suspect that a literalist reading of the Bible could, theoretically, in some folks who are already for various reasons prone to acts of violence and destruction, aggravate violent tendencies. On the other, there's a danger in painting everyone who identifies as a fundamentalist Christian with this particular brush.
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Sounds like a person with mental health problems.
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Must be the "fundamentalist" Christians... who else could it be
Note that I said "Neanderthal type of fundamentalist Christian" and not just simply "fundamentalist Christian". I don't think the average fundamentalist would do this sort of thing. They're nice people with better things to do. I know the pastor of that church, he taught me when I was a catechumen.
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At least they got caught and there are plenty of eyewitnesses. That's the one good point.

They are nasty people, whatever else they claim to be.
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Oh, how nice, you have a defined subset of "Fundamentalist Christian". Too bad that the news outlet does not identify their religion.
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I'm not sure that verte's characterization was incorrect.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/l...l/12810756.htm

On one hand, I suspect that a literalist reading of the Bible could, theoretically, in some folks who are already for various reasons prone to acts of violence and destruction, aggravate violent tendencies. On the other, there's a danger in painting everyone who identifies as a fundamentalist Christian with this particular brush.
Right, I meant a particularly nutty brand of fundamentalist and not just any fundamentalist Christian. I apologize to any fundamentalist Christians here who were offended by the post, it's not meant for you. It's meant for people who commit vandalism and other stupid acts.
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At least they got caught and there are plenty of eyewitnesses. That's the one good point.

They are nasty people, whatever else they claim to be.
. Agreed.

verte, that really sucks about that church being vandalized . I hope those who go there regularly can manage to fix it back up quickly-sorry to hear this happened to them.

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Oh, how nice, you have a defined subset of "Fundamentalist Christian". Too bad that the news outlet does not identify their religion.
The news outlet did that, not me. I have fundamentalist Christians in my own family. They are Seventh-Day Adventists and are very nice. They'd never do such a thing.
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Oh, how nice, you have a defined subset of "Fundamentalist Christian". Too bad that the news outlet does not identify their religion.


i understand your rush to defend fundamentalist christians. being a member of an oft-persecuted, scapegoated minority, i can relate and i feel that impulse.

however, i wonder if then you couldn't take this same approach when people who are members of other minority groups -- blacks, women, jews, gays, and whatever else -- feel as if they are stereotyped and persecuted in big and small ways and that it isn't someone always playing the race card or manipulating their status as a minority for some kind of political, financial, or personal gain.
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NBC, I understand your defensiveness, I honestly do. I am in a doctoral program which is often hostile to my faith and views Christianity as more a souce of conflict than peace (which is fair enough historically).
I hear the same things many of my conservative Christians hear in the smugness of some media pundints and the broad, broad brush we're painted with. I honestly get all of this.

But just once, it would be nice to hear you and some other conservative Christians acknowledge that this sort of thing is real and not so easily dismiessed as you might want. Mental health issues? On what in the world do you possibly base that? "This is idolotory"--that is classic, yes fundementalist doctrine that the Catholic church is the Whore of Babylon. It's been a real, if not representative, strain of SOME Protestant churches pretty much since Luther. In college, I was told by more than one person at the BAptist Student Union that I was going to Hell since I had not answered an altar call. They were not extremeists, Doug. They were normal, marrying, job-holding, tax paying people.

I know you would never do anything like that and that most even fundementalists wouldn't. But it's out there, and it's real and has an infamous historical tradition. It'd just be nice to hear that acknowledged, is all I'm saying.

Verte, I'm so sorry.
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Oh, how nice, you have a defined subset of "Fundamentalist Christian". Too bad that the news outlet does not identify their religion.
You do have a knee-jerk response here don't you? Funny how you always like to accuse others of that.

These nutjobs sure aren't atheists/agnostics.

** edited to note SD's post expressed it better than mine. **
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But just once, it would be nice to hear you and some other conservative Christians acknowledge that this sort of thing is real and not so easily dismiessed as you might want. Mental health issues? On what in the world do you possibly base that?
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acted on a vision from God
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"I had a vision. Lisa and me were tearing a church apart,"
The news article did not discuss their religious beliefs and their beliefs as a foundation for their actions.
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I can't believe I shared all that and got a quoted one-liner in response. Ah well. Never mind.
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i understand your rush to defend fundamentalist christians. being a member of an oft-persecuted, scapegoated minority, i can relate and i feel that impulse.
Funny how when you question the application of a label, you are "rushing to defend" someone.

I don't personally feel attacked by this thread. Primarily because the labels used here are largely undefined and often miss the mark as to what I believe.
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