Hot Coffee Too Hot?

[nbcrusader]

Yes, everyone's favorite "kill everyone in sight" game is back. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is out for PC's and you can beat women with baseball bats or shoot cops with Mac-10's to your hearts content.

But the violent content didn't raise any eyebrows in Congress.

Recently, an unofficial program posted on the internet that "unlocked" sexual content in the game. Now, according to a couple of senators, this has gone TOO FAR!

Clinton seeks video game sex scene probe

 

[financeguy]

Yes, there seem to be different standards as regards violence and sexual content in video games.

I can remember hacking peoples' heads off in computer games in the 80's but video games now are much more realistic I am given to understand.

 

[melon]

I think only the technologically stupid run Congress. The only way to access this "sex scene" is through hacking the PC game.

If your "child" is old enough to hack computers, then he's probably old enough to know what a simulated sex scene looks like and has already probably seen several in movies.

It's pretty ridiculous, if you ask me.

Melon

 

[BVS]

America: Violence-good
Sex-bad

 

[verte76]

If the person has to know how to hack to get to this sexy stuff, these people are spinning their wheels.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

I think only the technologically stupid run Congress. The only way to access this "sex scene" is through hacking the PC game.

If your "child" is old enough to hack computers, then he's probably old enough to know what a simulated sex scene looks like and has already probably seen several in movies.

It's pretty ridiculous, if you ask me.

Melon

. Exactly right.

Angela

 

[the rockin edge]

America: Violence-good
Sex-bad

indeed

 

[I'm Ready]

I think only the technologically stupid run Congress. The only way to access this "sex scene" is through hacking the PC game.

If your "child" is old enough to hack computers, then he's probably old enough to know what a simulated sex scene looks like and has already probably seen several in movies.

It's pretty ridiculous, if you ask me.

Melon

agree with you on most part but the kids dont have to be hackers to find the extension

 

[DaveC]

Fuck 'em.

It's a video game.

Parents who allow children to play these games despite the warnings all over the box that it isn't for anyone under 18 are idiotic and deserve the blame.

Let's go after the negligent parents who allow their 5 year-olds to play these games, not legitimate, mature 20-something video game users.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

Fuck 'em.

It's a video game.

Parents who allow children to play these games despite the warnings all over the box that it isn't for anyone under 18 are idiotic and deserve the blame.

Let's go after the negligent parents who allow their 5 year-olds to play these games, not legitimate, mature 20-something video game users.

. Thank you. Things like this shouldn't be up to the government to decide, but the child's parents. Do your job and your kid should be fine.

I do find it rather amusing that government officials get up in arms about this, though...so we can send kids to war, but we must shield them from those violent video games!

Angela

 

[Angela Harlem]

I have full faith in my ability as a parent to vet my daughter's recreation, and any yet unborn. I dont require government assistance in banning these games from my house.

 

[RedRocksU2]

I have full faith in my ability as a parent to vet my daughter's recreation, and any yet unborn. I dont require government assistance in banning these games from my house.

My sentiments exactly, well said.

Parents need to be parents.

 

[MadelynIris]

Political move on Hillary's part. She's appealing to the right, trying to become more centrist.

I just read an article where Take Two (the publisher) is being forced to label the game 'adults only' because of this addition.

People make mods like this all the time for all the PC games.

 

[dazzlingamy]

I just think that if a child sees violence in a game and goes out and does the same thing to someone in real life, he's gonna do it anyway. I think its pathetic that america veiws sex as more damaging then violence, but i think people seem to overreact to both of them. The game is a cartoon, its simulated its PRETEND! LIKE A MOVIE!
*gasp*

The whole people against video games are pathetic. And btw, i wouldnt let my daughter or son undert he age of 15 (which it says on the box already) play the game! So why are they eve ncomplaining?

PS. My boyf has the game and unlocked the "Sexual content" as a laugh and all it is its a naked chick bopping up and down on the guy. no genitals, the guy isnt even undressed and shes moaning. If some 14 yr old kid saw that, itsa not like its some hard core porn clip or something.

People just love to make a fuss
*rolls eyes*

 

[nbcrusader]

Fuck 'em.

It's a video game.

Parents who allow children to play these games despite the warnings all over the box that it isn't for anyone under 18 are idiotic and deserve the blame.

Let's go after the negligent parents who allow their 5 year-olds to play these games, not legitimate, mature 20-something video game users.

Actually Dave, you completely missed the whole point of the controversy.

The game is rated MA - children under 18 are allowed to buy the game. However, Rockstar Games included content that would have earned an AO (adults only) rating - thus only people 18 and over could buy the game.

So now, to whom is the "fuck 'em" directed?

 

[verte76]

I think they're playing politics for the "morality" votes. Clinton has made other speeches to this effect, she's not shy about wanting those votes.

 

[randhail]

All this will serve to do is increase the price of the game on eBay.

 

[trevster2k]

What's it like living a Big Brother Orwellian society? You guys are freakin' me out every month with the crap that goes on down there.

 

[A_Wanderer]

It is an awesome game, and although you have the freedom to go around killing cops and hookers that is not the main plotlines and it is by no means neccessary. You can play the righteous criminal if you want too.

Plus driving in the backwoods towards San Fierro with Peter Fonda's hippie character in a van with a whole heap of dope in the back is just plain fun, James Woods plays Mike Toreno the CIA guy and his missions rock, some damn fine voice acting all the way through. People should play the games before getting all worried I mean since the 1970's there have been video games and now there is a big market for adult games.

 

[some girl]

i saw how one of those grand theft auto games were played recently at a friend's house. i actually got sick to my stomach just watching it. disgusting. but hey, to each their own i guess.

 

[Irvine511]

again ... why is sex worse than violence?

i'd much rather have sex than engage in violence. i'd rather a 15 year old be having sex than beating up cops with baseball bats.

sad that the HRC-bomb has to have her own "sister souljah" moment pandering to this fucked up, misplaced sense of outrage felt so strongly by some sectors of American society.

graphic, gratuitious violence in film (be it in Biblical Jerusalem, the beaches of Normandy, or the streets of Mogadishu) gets you an R rating.

but, a penis in a film!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NC-17.

now, i wonder where this glorification of violence and suffering and shaming of the human body and sexuality comes from ...

 

[80sU2isBest]

Irvine, was the remark aabout gratuitous violence in Biblical Jerusalem referring to the movie The Passion? If so, that violence wasn't gratuitous; gratuitous, which menas "excessive or unwarranted, unnecessary, etc.". The violence was necessary to the story, and most experts agree that Christ was put through that much torture.

But your point is well taken. I deplore gratuitous violence in films, and I would definitely support a moratorium on those kinds of films. They seem to serve no useful purpose.

 

[nbcrusader]

What's it like living a Big Brother Orwellian society? You guys are freakin' me out every month with the crap that goes on down there.

What type of utopian life to you live "up there"

 

[Irvine511]

Irvine, was the remark aabout gratuitous violence in Biblical Jerusalem referring to the movie The Passion? If so, that violence wasn't gratuitous; gratuitous, which menas "excessive or unwarranted, unnecessary, etc.". The violence was necessary to the story, and most experts agree that Christ was put through that much torture.

But your point is well taken. I deplore gratuitous violence in films, and I would definitely support a moratorium on those kinds of films. They seem to serve no useful purpose.

regardless of your definition of gratuitious -- and i *really* don't want to get into another tired debate about the gratuity of The Passion, and if challenged, i'll merely post the brilliant Christopher Hitchens evisceration of the film and leave it at that -- i do think that The Passion, Saving Private Ryan, and Black Hawk Down should all have been rated NC-17 for violence.

i think that the last two, at least, are high quality films, especially Private Ryan. they are important films and the should be seen, but they should not by children.

i find the idea that severed arteries, prolongued torture scenes, and the churing of human beings into raw meat is far, far more unsettling than, say, a graphic sex scene or any and all parts of the human body.

again, sex is better than violence.

 

[Irvine511]

What type of utopian life to you live "up there"

you have to admit, though, to an outsider, many of our "cultural" debates look really silly considering so many of the issues that enrage Americans have been all but settled in most of the rest of the Western World.

 

[kobayashi]

What type of utopian life to you live "up there"

well it is far from utopian but we have a tendancy to not get caught up in this type of debate. as irvine alluded to, for an outsider, public discourse in the u.s. can appear horribly misguided. a point which may be true of many, if not all, cross cultural perspectives but i'd hazard a guess that it is especially valid when considering the u.s.

different strokes for different folks i suppose.

 

[Irvine511]

well it is far from utopian but we have a tendancy to not get caught up in this type of debate. as irvine alluded to, for an outsider, public discourse in the u.s. can appear horribly misguided. a point which may be true of many, if not all, cross cultural perspectives but i'd hazard a guess that it is especially valid when considering the u.s.

different strokes for different folks i suppose.

yes, absolutely.

if we are to ascribe to the simple blue state vs red state mentality, it appears as if we are a red country in a blue (industrialized) world; however, the truth is that 50% of this country is painting how it is perceived in the world. i got so, so, so sick of having to answer to Europeans for people who i don't agree with, yet they are my countrymen, so i still felt it was incumbant upon me to explain where they were coming from.

from my perspective, i view it as simply a refusal of some in this country to culturally modernize.

it seems so silly to me, and makes us look not too terribly different (in ideology, though not in tactics) from the terrorists we're supposed to be fighting.

 

[nbcrusader]

I think it would dangerous to equate "cultural modernization" with permissiveness.

To some, it may appear humorous (in a sad way) that some cultures do not raise these questions.

 

[Irvine511]

I think it would dangerous to equate "cultural modernization" with permissiveness.

To some, it may appear humorous (in a sad way) that some cultures do not raise these questions.

or they leave "permissiveness" in the hands of citizens to make their own decisions in regards to how they choose to conduct their lives.

one thing i think the US does really well is that we allow people to become -- when it comes to careers -- what it is they want to be.

sad that we don't afford them the same rights to live their lives as they see fit.

 

[nbcrusader]

or they leave "permissiveness" in the hands of citizens to make their own decisions in regards to how they choose to conduct their lives.

This could also be used to describe anarchy.