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Absolutely real 10 18.87%
Probably real 2 3.77%
It's real, but you have to invite evil influences into your life 8 15.09%
No, not real; anyone claiming this is a mental case. 28 52.83%
There is a good force and a bad force in our universe-a person has to decide which force they choose to serve 2 3.77%
diamondbruno#9, do you have your own church and gospel? 3 5.66%
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Old 03-14-2008, 02:23 PM   #21
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So, he obviously has an interest in promoting a Catholic agenda.


Mystery solved. It's crap.
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ok


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Ok, all I ask is that you and others *do not* again please *do not* make light of this person's experience.

He's a realtor like you.

He's married, sane, calm successful man and had a type of OBE/dream where he found himself out of his body and in Hell for 23 minutes.

He claimed it was as real or more real than being here on Earth now.

The picture posted represents most accurately of what one of the demons that tormented him looked liked while he was in Hell.





http://www.spiritlessons.com/Documen...nHell_Text.htm

You can watch or listen to his account here:

http://www.spiritlessons.com/

Here's what he says to all ppl who are curious about what happened to him:


"Even if you don’t believe my story, I hope you will believe the Scriptures and avoid hell just the same."



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Old 03-14-2008, 02:30 PM   #23
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So those clegymen and the girl that was levitated, accompanied with multi-lingual incognito venquilitrists- were all in collusion all fibbing and the whole event was a parlor trick!?


Or was it a real event with super natural things occuring?

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People believe what they want to see. If all your life you've been planted with seeds of possessions, stigmatas, speaking in tongues, etc then you're going to look for those things very hard, and your mind will trick you into believing someone with autism that just repeated something they saw on the TV was a possession.

If you're actively looking for an alien spaceship than any light will spark your imagination. If you're looking for a conspiracy, you can easily find enough odd facts to allow you to believe you found one. If you're looking for a sign, anything can be manipulated into one...
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deep you're a realtor?
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Ok, all I ask is that you and others *do not* again please *do not* make light of this person's experience.

He's a realtor like you.

He's married, sane, calm successful man and had a type of OBE/dream where he found himself out of his body and in Hell for 23 minutes.

He claimed it was as real or more real than being here on Earth now.

The picture posted represents most accurately of what one of the demons that tormented looked liked while he wasin Hell.
Why should his dream mean anything to me? Honestly why should his dream be anymore important than the one I had last night.

And how did he know it was 23 minutes? Does hell have clocks?
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Why should his dream mean anything to me? Honestly why should his dream be anymore important than the one I had last night.

And how did he know it was 23 minutes? Does hell have clocks?
Why don't read his story before you ridicule the man?

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He's a realtor like you.

He's married, sane, calm successful man and had a type of OBE/dream where he found himself out of his body and in Hell for 23 minutes.




"Even if you don’t believe my story, I hope you will believe the Scriptures and avoid hell just the same."



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the fact that this man says he is a Realtor

and I possess a Real Estate Brokers license with the state of CA

is about as relevant as saying Charles Manson is the same astrological sign as you.



as for the scriptures
there is a lot there that one should not believe

and Hell is a man made concept




it's a known fact

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Why don't read his story before you ridicule the man?

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Show me where I ridiculed him...

Then answer my questions?
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And how did he know it was 23 minutes? Does hell have clocks?


Sorry Diamond, I know you're taking this seriously, but that was funny.
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I've witnessed people in the throes of demon possession.

It's not pretty.
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Old 03-14-2008, 02:51 PM   #31
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Honestly why should his dream be anymore important than the one I had last night.
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And how did he know it was 23 minutes? Does hell have clocks?
You dismissed his life altering experience as a common dream.
Maybe not ridiculing per se, but you might as just as well of.

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He's married, sane, calm successful man and had a type of OBE/


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OBE

Out of Body Experience?



this is the face of a man the had an OBE !

He's married, sane, calm successful man and had a type of OBE
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and Hell is a man made concept






No, not according to him.

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and heaven awaits you with 72 virgins

if you love God enough
and do the right thing

according to *


* choose your own whack job (what's the difference?)
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OBE

Out of Body Experience?



this is the face of a man the had an OBE !

He's married, sane, calm successful man and had a type of OBE
i would take exception with those adjectives based on recent events exposed in his life.

He's married (for now) and that's about it.

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than the whacko you are pimping for
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I skimmed the man's experience in hell (honestly, I don't have the time, interest or patience to read the whole thing), and I saw nothing to indicate it was anything more than a vivid nightmare.
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I recall seeing a childhood friend of mine fall to the ground in a fit. This was in a village on a mountain in Indonesia. The villagers called it demon possession. Once she began taking meds for epilepsy, the possession ceased.

There's a lot of stuff out there that I can't explain but that doesn't mean an explanation outside of the supernatural does not exist.
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You dismissed his life altering experience as a common dream.
But in all seriousness, what makes his dream any different than dreams I've had.

I've had dreams that have shed light on things in my life, I've had dreams that have altered my life, dreams are basically your unconscious sorting through daily or lifetime issues, events, etc that need more attention.

I've had much more vivid dreams than this guy, but at the end of the day they were still just dreams. Good for him that they changed his life, but it was just his mind's only way to communicating to himself.
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I recall seeing a childhood friend of mine fall to the ground in a fit. This was in a village on a mountain in Indonesia. The villagers called it demon possession. Once she began taking meds for epilepsy, the possession ceased.

There's a lot of stuff out there that I can't explain but that doesn't mean an explanation outside of the supernatural does not exist.
That's generally the way it goes. People use religious explanations to make sense of phenomena they don't understand. Then, when science can explain the event, they move on to something else.

The mind's belief in something can be extremely powerful, but that doesn't mean it exists.

Glad your friend eventually received medical intervention.
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