Cannot believe how that American cop acted......!

[Lemonite]

Originally posted by FizzingWhizzbees


Rep. Maxine Waters who represents the city in Congress has stated that she believed the attack to be racially motivated and called on the Attorney General to begin a Justice Department investigation.

Oh Dear Me.. Maxine Waters stated that.. Frankly, That statement by her holds as much water as if the Reverend Jesse Jackson said it.. She probably made that statement at the NAACP Convention going on at the present moment..

According to these people, EverythinG is Racially Motivated. I'm not championing anything here, but just providing a little bit to the 'perspective' tank here.

L.Unplugged

From CNN.com

Store surveillance tape being checked
The details of what transpired before the video began are in dispute.
Joe Hopkins, an attorney representing Jackson, said Donovan was handcuffed, beaten and dragged on the ground by an 18-inch chain around his neck, which snapped, in the moments before the video begins.

Inglewood police have said Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies pulled over Jackson's car because of expired license plates and that the boy's father, Coby Chavis, also was driving with a suspended license. At some point, police say, the boy lunged at a sheriff's deputy and struck Morse -- a claim the family has denied.

"The juvenile attacked our deputy, which started the scuffle in the first place," Lt. Carl Deeley of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department told CNN's Connie Chung.

Deeley said the deputy tried to put Jackson into his vehicle because he "would not stop interfering" with the traffic stop involving his father.

"The young man lunged at the deputy who then had to grab him and they struggled with each other," Deeley said. "That's when the Inglewood officers came to his aid to help him to handcuff the 16-year-old."

He said that Officer Morse was struck in the head, chest and arm, and that the sheriff's deputy injured his back and sprained a wrist.

The sheriff's department has sent surveillance video from the convenience store to their crime lab to get a better idea of what happened. The surveillance video, which has not been released publicly, utilizes 10 different cameras monitoring the store grounds.

"Hopefully, it will add some information," Deeley said. "There's been quite a few charges that'll probably be cleared up."

[mad1]

Originally posted by KhanadaRhodes

if that's true, then the police department really does have some explaining to do. for the cop to fight back is one thing, but for him to handcuff the kid and then start attacking is another thing.

exactly, its like tying a dogs legs up leavin it defenseless while enjoying kickin the shit out of it........



sorry, it just angers me...........

(mind u a lot of those who commit crime tie their victims up for torture............but still)

[FizzingWhizzbees]

Originally posted by Lemonite


Oh Dear Me.. Maxine Waters stated that.. Frankly, That statement by her holds as much water as if the Reverend Jesse Jackson said it.. She probably made that statement at the NAACP Convention going on at the present moment..

According to these people, EverythinG is Racially Motivated. I'm not championing anything here, but just providing a little bit to the 'perspective' tank here.

Why do you question the validity of her statement?

I believe she was speaking at a news conference on Capitol Hill and in a letter to the Attorney General.

Besides, if she had been speaking at an NAACP Convention, would you think this somehow makes her comments less valid? Surely the Black community have a right to be concerned about institutional racism, particularly with regard to policing.

[U2girl]

I saw that, and i couldn't believe it...he grabbed that 16 year old kid as if he was a cat or some animal, by the neck, shoved him to the hood of the car and punched him.
Pick someone your own size at least.

As far as i know, the officer has no right whatsoever to hit a "suspect" (and it's not even like he commited a crime, it was just the license plates) after they are handcuffed. And it's not up to him to decide his punishment - there's courts for that, all he has to do is make the arrest.
OK, suppose the kid did provoke the officers. So what? They outght to be better than him and again, once people are handcuffed police violence is not excusable.

I saw it on German TV, they also showed Rodney King and officers in South Africa who terrorised suspects by having dog cops bite them while they watched it calmly.

[BAW]

Fine, the kid scuffled with the officer. BUT, after he was handcuffed, the officer's job was to put him in the patrol car and take him to jail. It was not his duty to enforce "street justice" by slamming a 16 year old's head into a car and then punch him in the face, which the video clearly shows.

I don't care what the store surveillance cameras show before the officer assaulted the kid...his actions afterward were totally uncalled for.

And this happens EVERYDAY in that area.

I'm not anti-cop by any means...my husband and his brother are both retired officers and my nephew is a cop in an Inglewood area city so I understand what they deal with but that is no excuse for brutality.

A huge part of this problem is the racism that exists among cops in this area, not just white cops but also black, Hispanic and Asian. To this day, some still refer to Imperial Highway, the main arterial road through the area, as "the Coal Chute." It is common for white officers to refer to black suspects as "raisins".

With this kind of disprespect, is it a wonder the community is hyper-sensitive to anything that might be perceived as racist? When people are shown absolutely no respect, they react by questioning authority, just like this kid did.

[diamond]

BAW True racism exists in So.Cal.

I grew up next to Watts in the city South Gate.
For a white kid this was tough.
The only good thing was my older brother played basketball well and was playing Varsity in the 10th grade w/ a bunch of black seniors.
My father also instilled good values in us kids raising us to be colored-blind. My father had a lot of African American clents.

Presently there is a small degree of reverse discrimination going on towards white police officers by some of the gangs in So .Central LA..wouldnt you agree? This has forced all police officers to walk on egg-shells. Cowardly gangbangers know this, knowing they can exploit a situation to their advantage-by antagonizing the police .
So I understand Wanderer's statement.

IAM AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY ALSO
HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THIS-

If it were September 11 2001 and both of these characters were living in NYC together by the WTC..THAT SAME POLICEMAN woulda of RESCUED that young fella if he were in caught in THOSE TOWERS.
Perspective ppl.
Thanks.

Peace
Out
DB9
:idea:

[joyfulgirl]

Originally posted by diamond


If it were September 11 2001 and both of these characters were living in NYC together by the WTC..THAT SAME POLICEMAN woulda of RESCUED that young fella if he were in caught in THOSE TOWERS.

How do you know? I think this is irrelevant to the facts at hand.

[deep]

GOOD POST- Maddie

I hope this does not offend anybody. But I am going to speak my mind. In free your mind. It seems to me a lot members of this forum approach issues with bias. They argue, and reach conclusions that support their beliefs, without any reasonable evidence to support their argument. Cops = good. Suspects = bad. Some members even let race creep into their arguments, and always argue on one side. This is sad.

This is one incident. A sixteen year old (American, for you flag wavers) was in custody. period The officer abused him, assaulted him. To rationalize about how bad the area is and speculate what may have happen before, etc., to mention other experiences that occurred in your life is bizarre and irrelevant.

Why you don’t empathize with this kid is amazing to me. It reveals a lot about bias.

To say 98% of cops are good. Lets not blow this out of proportion. They do a dangerous job.

Would you make this argument 98% of teachers are good. The 2% that have sex with their students. Lets not blow this out of proportion. They have a stressful job. You know how those teenagers can be seductive.

Nothing would justify his actions. The Inglewood police knew they were taped. They went to the hotel where the guy video recorded this. He handed the tape off to friend and put a blank tape in. He then changed his clothes and went to lounge by the pool. The police went from room to room looking for the tape.

This cop put someone else in a coma, a couple of weeks ago. The police department is pressing charges against him, last I heard.

My question is: Why did some of you jump on the bandwagon defending this? Rationalizing it? Trying to justify it, explaining it away? You should do some soul searching.

[FizzingWhizzbees]

Originally posted by deep

My question is: Why did some of you jump on the bandwagon defending this? Rationalizing it? Trying it justify it, explaining it away? You should do some soul searching.

Great post, deep. I think you raise some important questions.

[diamond]

Ok fine Fizzing and deep.
Next time your car breaks down in the gheto call a gangbanger for help.
Oake dok
thank u-
DB9

[FizzingWhizzbees]

Originally posted by diamond
Ok fine Fizzing and deep.
Next time your car breaks down in the gheto call a gangbanger for help.
Oake dok
thank u-
DB9

I don't own a car, diamond. But if I did and it broke down then I believe I'd call the AA or RAC, rather than the police.

I don't understand why you find any criticism of the police so unacceptable. Yes, they provide an important service, but this doesn't mean they're above reproach. By this logic we would also fail to condemn sexual abuse in the church, or teachers who assault their pupils.

[Lemonite]

My old pal Zone.. I think I've found the latest species of prey for you to hunt down and warn her of a nice forkful of Humble Pie to drop right in her shorts one of these days.. Our Dearest Fizzing.. I think she's fits the bill pretty perfectly.



L.Unplugged

Just a recent Editorial on Maxine Water's Ineptness..

EIB:

One of the things I love about this job is that you just never know what's going to happen next. Well, we were treated to one of those delectably fun moments recently, courtesy of Democratic California Congresswoman Maxine Waters.

Waters appeared Monday at a House hearing on the WorldCom accounting errors, and let's just say she'll make a good candidate for any political blooper shows out there. Waters identified the investment banking company Salomon Smith Barney as Salomon Barney Frank. What made it funny was that she didn't even blink. Completely oblivious to her error, she kept on talking. Meanwhile, everyone behind her was trying not to laugh, but they couldn't control themselves and it distracted her. She finally abandoned the prepared text and went to the Democrat playbook, giving her usual spiel of the little people getting screwed by the rich.

[FizzingWhizzbees]

Originally posted by Lemonite
My old pal Zone.. I think I've found the latest species of prey for you to hunt down and warn her of a nice forkful of Humble Pie to drop right in her shorts one of these days.. Our Dearest Fizzing.. I think she's fits the bill pretty perfectly.

Lemonite,
If you'd like to discuss politics then I'd be perfectly happy to do so. However, from our recent discussions both in private messages and on this forum, I'm led to believe that you're more interested in petty personal conflicts than the real issues involved. If I'm mistaken about this and you are serious about discussing politics without resorting to jokes or insults then I apologise and I'm willing to participate in any reasonable discussion.

However, please don't send me any more private messages, I found your last message offensive and I've no desire to continue such conversation. There should be no problem with any discussion between us being held in a public forum.

Thanks for your time,
*Fizz.

[KhanadaRhodes]

diamond, ehh, let's not resort to saying things like that. what you said reminded me of the time i was standing outside waiting at a grocery store for my dad on christmas eve and they were closing up. i was talking to one of the managers as he was standing by the entrance telling them they were closed. one guy walked up (mind you, this is like 7 or 8 at night, shouldn't these people have bought their christmas dinner long before now?) and he turned him away. the guy immaturely retorted, "next time you have a robbery, you'll see how fast we (the police) get here." same goes for you, lemonite. weren't you the person who told me about a month ago you didn't make personal attacks?

anyway, everything is really speculation until the suveillance tapes are released to the public, so we can see what happened beforehand. but regardless, beating a minor while he is freaking HANDCUFFED is inexcusable. i don't care if the minor turned around and opened fire, that's just not right. especially for officers of the law, who are supposed to be protecting us. since he'd already put a person into a coma, it sounds to me like this cop is one of those abusers of the law. you know, everyone has run into someone like this. maybe not a cop, but someone who abuses the power that's been given to them. i've seen cops turn around and turn on their lights and sirens just to go through a red light because they don't feel like waiting. and trust me, i ended up being able to see them for quite a long time to know they weren't trying to catch up to someone speeding or something. hell, my mom got into a horrible accident over 30 years ago with a cop who ran a red light who had no business being out of the office. he ended up getting fired. but i digress.

as many others have said, especially deep (great post! btw), that i can't believe some people don't at the very least think perhaps this cop did overstep his authority. maybe he was a bit too harsh. i can understand why our mere saying these things don't persuade you to change your mind, i'm just hoping that maybe once the other tapes see the public eye, that it is realized by everyone how horrible of a crime it was. whether it was racial or whatever really doesn't matter. i don't care if it was a 16 year old black male, a 30 year old white female, or an 85 year old asian male. it's a horrible thing to do.

on the flip side, i am interested in hearing the kid's side of the story. why did he feel the need to start going at the cop? all they were doing was being pulled over for expired tags and his father having a suspended license. i wonder if he was trying to hide something. this is one story i'm going to be fairly interested in watching the facts unfold.

[diamond]

Originally posted by diamond
BAW True racism exists in So.Cal.

I grew up next to Watts in the city South Gate.
For a white kid this was tough.
.

IAM AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY ALSO
HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THIS-

Perspective ppl.
Thanks.

Peace

DB9
:idea:

[Sicy]

Private messages are just that.. PRIVATE.

They are not to be discussed on the board, no matter who you are.

People have been banned for this. If you have something to say to someone about their private messages, tell them in private.

[Lemonite]

Originally posted by FizzingWhizzbees


Lemonite,
If you'd like to discuss politics then I'd be perfectly happy to do so. However, from our recent discussions both in private messages and on this forum, I'm led to believe that you're more interested in petty personal conflicts than the real issues involved. If I'm mistaken about this and you are serious about discussing politics without resorting to jokes or insults then I apologise and I'm willing to participate in any reasonable discussion.

However, please don't send me any more private messages, I found your last message offensive and I've no desire to continue such conversation. There should be no problem with any discussion between us being held in a public forum.

Thanks for your time,
*Fizz.

I find this interesting.. 'Personal Conflicts'.. I never use such tactics, only Ideas.. 'Strict Blind Idealism' is what is under question here.

I won't comment on anything else, as PM conversations are just that .. Private.. You've stepped in some shit there dear.

Lighten up kid,
L.Unplugged

[diamond]

Originally posted by diamond LEST WE FOR GET ...HERE IT IS AGAIN-
IAM AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY
[BTrue racism exists in So.Cal

I grew up next to Watts in the city South Gate.

.

IAM AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY ALSO
HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THIS-
Again-
IAM AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY.
Hope this clears any misconceptions.

Perspective ppl.
Thanks.

Peace

DB9
:idea: [/B]

[z edge]

Originally posted by The Wanderer
I have no idea why on earth anyone would want to be an inner-city cop in the United States, if you over-react to a situation you are persecuted, if you under-react you are lying on your back in the morgue

these guys have one of the most dangerous and most difficult jobs in the world, let's get all the facts before we sentence these fellars

you forgot to mention that thier pay is shit(e) too (at least until they get some rank under their belts)

Or sould i say their pay dosen't reflect the dangers they go up against daily

[Like someone to blame]

Originally posted by diamond
Maddie-
Welcome to our Jungle.

Seriously-
Perspective is needed here:idea:

Before the event was being recorded..

What did the young fella do to provoke the officer?
Did he just blow the head off of a 98 yr old woman?
Did he spit in the officer's face?
Perspective.
or
Did the officer not get enough lovin from mama at home..making him a shitty day, or serve bad coffee at the local donut house..?

Lets not rush to judgement..

DB9

dear mr diamond:

Perspective???????? It doesn't matter what this young fellow may have done to provoke Officer Morse before he was handcuffed...his conduct as a police officer was reprehensible. Period. End of debate. When the cuff's are on and the suspect is under control that's it...no further force is necessary. Police manuals teach this.

My goodness...how can ANYONE justify this cop's actions...even the former chief of internal affairs of the D.C. police department said this afternoon on CNN that had the suspect spit on Officer Morse that still would not justify, quantify, rationalize, warrant, etc etc his conduct!

Honestly mr diamond, if you are somehow suggesting that Officer Morse's actions were acceptable based on how this 16 year old, mentally challenged youth acted towards him PRIOR to the cuffs being slapped on him than that scares me. It doesn't matter. The kid was cuffed. In fact, news reports today indicate he was freakin' UNCONSCIOUS...until the enraged Officer Morse went ballistic and slammed his head against the car! And the punch to the head...you can't honestly defend that and still sleep at night...can you?

diamond...even your righteous brother on the right Sean Hannity (one of the most scarriest men in America) of Fox News went so far as to say the officer's actions were "disturbing" , "troubling" and "inexcusable".

Perspective??????? None required in this case. The officer's actions speak for themself and are disgusting.

Rush to judgement??????? Hardly. America doesn't need any hot headed cops with anger management problems policing our streets.