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Rock n' Roll Doggie
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BC doctor refuses to prescribe birth control
this from the national post this morning,
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i am going to have to side with the state and say that though his religous convictions may have prevented him from prescribing the neccessary precautions, his professional convictions required him to send his patients to another doctor, considering that our nation is recognizing the right to sex as a human right. |
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Rock n' Roll Doggie
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True, he could find another job in the medical field, but people can also find new doctors on their own. It's not like a specialist, where you have to have a referral from another doctor in order for insurance to pay. People can just look through their network provider directory and pick another doctor. It's as simple as that.
__________________I'm not so sure I would want the government sticking their nose in my business over such an issue. Also, kobayashi, does Canada really guarantee sex as a human right? That's odd. I could definitely win a human rights violation case up there. |
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but i do not believe the government will allow a doctor in the system to continue on in this fashion knowingly. i'm 99% certain it is not guaranteed in our charter of rights, but that was drafted in '81 i believe(that is probably wrong as i am not big on history), but it is definetely a progressive goal that they are driving towards for the future, imo. |
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Regardless of whether you agree with this man's ideas about premarital sex, I think you have to acknowlege that as a doctor he has a responsibility to provide the best standard of care to his patients. If he has such a problem with prescribing birth control then maybe he ought to consider how well suited he is to provide medical care to women.
I find it especially worrying that he's the only physician accepting new patients in that area as this limits people's ability to choose another doctor if they are aware that he will refuse to treat them according to their needs. At the very least, he has a responsibility to refer women who ask to be prescribed birth control to a doctor who will do so. He does not have the right to force his own subjective religious beliefs on others, especially when doing so can put their wellbeing at risk. |
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well said, fizz.
![]() doctors deal with physical health, not spiritual. if i wanted a christian sermon, i'll go to church. it's not up to one's doctor to decide whether or not their patients can have the medication or not because they don't believe in it. anyway, if you read this bible verse that made him change his ways, it only mentions about warning people, not forcing beliefs. basically, if this passage means so much to him, he would be following it if he would say to a single woman "you know according to christian belief that premarital sex is wrong and i don't condone this sort of behaviour." or something of the like. ------------------ why i see your face moving in the aerospace, white light shining you're all alone... ME! all day, every day! "...a poptart in pants..." -- elizabeth |
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So, a doctor should prescribe birth control even though he's against it. Does that also apply to abortions? Should a doctor give a woman an abortion if he himself believes it to be immoral?
(I'm not even taking into account the possibility that abortion is murder, which would make it a strict violation of the Hyppocratic Oath.) Should a doctor be required - in ALL cases - to do things that his moral code forbids him to do? |
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I just think that refusing to distribute birth control to these single women, and not referring them over to another doctor, is a dodgy way of "serving the public" with doctoring needs. |
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Sorry, I meant to reply to the question about abortion in my last post.
It's interesting because here in the UK, a woman needs the consent of two doctors to have an abortion, but if she goes to see her GP (that's like a family doctor, I guess, I don't know if we use the same descriptions everywhere) and s/he is opposed to abortion, they are permitted simply to turn her away. They're not under any obligation to state that they personally have a moral objection to abortion, and refer the woman to a doctor who can help her, they can simply refuse her treatment. This of course means that women are either denied any access to abortion, or that they are forced to pay privately for their treatment - currently about 1/3 of people seeking abortion have to pay privately. In my opinion, that is completely unacceptable. Whatever the doctor's opinions about abortion, it is legally permitted in this country and therefore women should not be denied access to it because of the subjective beliefs of their doctor. I'm absolutely not arguing that a doctor should be forced to carry out an abortion if this is against their beliefs, but they shouldn't have the right to prevent a woman from seeking treatment from a doctor who is willing to provide it. |
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yeah, if a doctor thinks it's immoral, that's fine. no skin off my back. but the least they can do is say it up front, *and* refer them to someone else who will.
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Who does he think he is, Pat Robertson??
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Put yourself in his shoes. Let's say you are a recovering alcoholic, and you own a restaraunt. You refuse to serve alcohol because you don't want it to do to others what it did you. Someone asks you to refer them to a restaraunt that does serve alcohol. Should the government be able to FORCE you to refer that person to another restaraunt? Come on, people. Think about freedoms here. Would you want the government sticking its nose in your practice? |
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80's, what if the doctor in question was a Christian Scientist opposed to surgery instead of birth control? Or a Jehovah's Witness who refused to do blood transfusions? Or a Satan worshipping witch with her own ideas about what is "acceptable" treatment?
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wow. I didn't know sex was a basic human right. I think I'm gonna sue someone. My rights aren't being fulfilled to my satisfaction.
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Well, isn't religion sticking its nose into medical practice in this instance? That doctor is imposing his religious views on the masses regardless of whether or not his decision is right for the women who come to him. I'd be interested to know what kind of interview he gave for his med school admission. If he expressed extreme fundamentalist views, he would have been removed from the application process, believe me.
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Unless a church district gets involved then there's not much of a concensus when it comes to religion, so he must be seen as the exception. Thinking about it though, church and state are separate--so in this case where doctors are the components of a hospital which are part of the state institution, the government would hold ruling. It is the government's territory. As sad as it may sound, it's as though the church and state each has a bouncer who can decide what is allowed in. (unless there's some heirarchy detail that I have overlooked) [This message has been edited by Achtung_Bebe (edited 02-23-2002).] |
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It should also be noted that the Pill is not *only* used for contraception. It can be used to treat acne, endometriosis, irregular menstrual periods and other women's health problems. So, how does this "doctor" treat women with problems such as these?
__________________Also: what would this "doctor" do if a woman came to him as, say, an abused wife who was pressured into sex by her husband, who already has a whole passel of kids, and doesn't want to get pregnant anymore? What if a woman is raped and she wants a morning-after pill? If he wants to preach to people about their sexual conduct, he should become a pastor. Or if he doesn't want to deal with these kinds of things, he should become an optometrist or something. ------------------ If you cannot live together in here, you cannot live together out there, let me tell ya. --Bono You've got to cry without weeping, talk without speaking, scream without raising your voice... --Bono |
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