2016 US Presidential Election Pt. IV

[VintagePunk]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Perhaps it's because I do feel like I'm a solo voice in here that my posts come off more sweeping than intended.

That also doesn't make me incorrect.

I think that's because for a very long time, you were. Besides, Melon, as you mentioned, whose presence is missed. I still remember your patience in explaining gay perspectives for the umpteenth time, when I would have been ready for a barroom brawl to settle things, in your position. You've earned a certain cachet, for that.

It's been a very long time since I've posted in these parts. I've been lurking in this thread for weeks now, though, and as an outsider who only has time to digest the POTUS election news in soundbytes, this thread has been great, and mostly quite civil. I've enjoyed and have become more informed by reading all your views - thanks.

ETA - also miss Yolland. Does she post anymore?

[BigMacPhisto]

Originally Posted by Hewson

More and more I get the sense that this is where we're heading.

Obama won the 2012 election by four points, so for Clinton to lose by seven that would require an eleven point shift. That's pretty massive, especially since the white vote is dropping by about 2.5% of the electorate every Presidential cycle and Republicans are losing an estimated 2.5 million voter swing every cycle due to deaths and younger voters identifying with Democrats more than ever...I'm open to the possibility of a Republican victory at least being probable, but not one by that margin unless Clinton is found to have clearly committed illegal acts by the time the election rolls around.

While I do think Sanders does a better job at energizing far leftists and independents that wouldn't normally vote, and therefore is the stronger candidate, I think Clinton's weaknesses in these head-to-head GOP matchups are mostly due to distrust of her among the general public...but when November rolls around, they're going to hold their nose if she's the nominee and get in line.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

I have no doubt Sanders can win the democratic nomination.

He'd get slaughtered in the national election. Young people don't vote, and old people are terrified of socialists.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

So they're talking snow for the primaries... I imagine that helps the moderate Republican and liberal Democrat (not that Sanders needs help in NH) who live in the more "urban" parts of New Hampshire, not that anyone would ever call Concord or Manchester "urban"

[Bluer White]

I would

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Ha.

I went to college in New Hampshire so I know the state pretty well. It's about as urban as Montana

[DaveC]

An acquaintance of mine who lives in NH (and is a Bernie supporter) posted this pic on Facebook today:

[Mrs. Garrison]

Anyone want to scissor?

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

I have no doubt Sanders can win the democratic nomination.

He'd get slaughtered in the national election. Young people don't vote, and old people are terrified of socialists.

Old people have a reason for being terrified of socialists, they know history.

[Vlad n U 2]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Old people have a reason for being terrified of socialists, they know history.

How cute, iron horse.

Anyway, that would have much more to do with decades long relentless propaganda - and you know, a little thing called McCarthyism.

[LuckyNumber7]

I sort of loved watching Chirstie shitting on Rubio over his planned speech.

Ironically, I'm pretty sure that speech by Christie was planned.

[LuckyNumber7]

Did Jeb Bush just actually stand up to Donald Trump and not get bullied? Daaaamn those boos were coming in hard.

[Oregoropa]

Rubio got schlonged by Christie multiple times right out of the gate


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[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Old people have a reason for being terrified of socialists, they know history.

Correct. Although a few may have voted for Eugene Debs


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[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Rubio got schlonged by Christie multiple times right out of the gate


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I'm loving it. New Hampshire obviously has been much stronger for the three governors, but they're actually also coming out of this debate as being the three victors.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

How cute, iron horse.

Anyway, that would have much more to do with decades long relentless propaganda - and you know, a little thing called McCarthyism.

Cute?

McCarthyism...now that was cute.

Would you like to explain the Berlin wall?

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Mr Trump, would you like to explain your platform?

Hey, I make deals. Deals deals deals deals.

So could you actually give us an idea of your ideas?

Deals deals deals deals deals!

[Vlad n U 2]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Cute?

McCarthyism...now that was cute.

It was very cute! I knew it is something you'd appreciate.

Would you like to explain the Berlin wall?

Are you expecting me to defend it?

[Axver]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Old people have a reason for being terrified of socialists, they know history.

Come back when you have something less ridiculous to say.

Signed,
A 29-year-old historian

[Mack_Again]

sure I'm scared of socialists as Oppenheimer was a socialist and Dirac was very close to all the Soviet scientists.


it sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?