So it's OK to eat LOTS of carbs again????

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Leafy greens are not high in protein.

Additionally, fish like salmon, tuna, etc. have a high omega fatty acid : protein ratio, relatively speaking and work to lower cholesterol. That's the difference between them and your standard red meat fare.

melon, my point stands: the studies consistantly and constantly show that a balanced diet including fruits, vegetables, FIBRE (hello, grains???), omega fatty acids lowers significantly one's chances of developing heart disease, atherosclerosis (not just of the arteries but in the brain), is associated with a lower incidence of things like diabetes, Alzheimer's, cancer.

Atkins is completely unconcerned with the beneficial aspects of carbohydrates that come from grains and fruits. It's insanity.
 
beli said:

I could check today but I dont think people who are into Atkins are into listening to scientific data, or they would read what is already available.

That is a bit of a bogus statement.
 
beli said:
Oh. I dont think I have eaten more than one donut at a sitting in my life. Blood plums on the other hand........
see, that's why most americans have weight problems! the average american (not necessarily referring to anyone here, but the average american IS overweight) will eat as much as they want, and a lot of fatty food. however, for healthier americans and most abroad, they look at fatty foods as more of a once-in-a-while treat.

anyway, i really don't believe in either diet. the high-fat, low-carb diet is unhealthy, as is the low-fat, high-carb diet. me? i just try to have a little of everything. nothing's unhealthy if you do it in moderation. you can have some french fries, but don't eat an entire supersize order of them. get a happy meal if you want fast food. when i simply must have fast food, i try to get a burger OR fries, or just get a kid's meal. since i work in an industrial area, there's not a lot other than fast food around. so, i bring a tv dinner to work with me. it's a lot easier for me to count calories, fat grams, and even net carbs when it's all in black and white for me.

so when it comes to dinnertime, i just try to prepare something that contains as many food groups as possible. i've lost about 15 pounds in the past three months. that's not much when you compare it to others on atkins, south beach, or the high carb diet, who all probably lose that much in a month. however, to really ensure you not just lose weight, but keep it off (as with any diet, especially the low carb ones, you easily gain back what you lost and then some as soon as you get off the diet.) you really want to not only make sure it's a diet you wouldn't mind sticking with for life, and make sure you lose 1-2 pounds a week, and take breaks where you just maintain. otherwise, you'll be taxing your body and that's when you run the risk of organ damage.

it's a slow process, but if you just eat in moderation and exercise, you won't have to worry about the possibility of binging if you allow yourself to eat whatever you want. if you're on a low carb diet, you won't have to worry about what would happen if you just had to have, say, some apple pie or fries. or if you were on a high carb diet, you wouldn't have to worry if you ate some fried chicken or a burger.

sorry for the long post.
 
anitram said:

The reason you feel sluggish without Carbs is that your brain feeds on carbs exclusively.


It's glucose that the brain needs, actually, and the amino acids that come from dietary protein are used for gluconeogenesis to provide the brain with the glucose it needs. I may have proof of this tomorrow when I get my boards results (to get my license for doctor of vet. med.). I debated whether or not to have a high carb breakfast prior to my test, to maybe give my brain a kick, but I decided against it because I knew it would be temporary and I would likely crash during the test. I'll let you all know soon....;)
 
BTW, Ms. Lemon :sexywink: Once you are off induction you can have yogurt again - Blue Bunny is great, has lots of flavors, is made w/ Splenda, and is ~4g/cup. Breyers makes great chocolate and vanilla LC ice cream, strawberry too which isn't my fave :shrug:
 
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~LadyLemon~ said:


That is a bit of a bogus statement.

Just so beli knows (if she is at all interested :sexywink: ), we have bonosloveslave on the 'FOR' team with a degree in vet science (not exactly medicine I know) - therefore a pretty good knowledge of science, and also anitram on the 'AGAINST' team who is a biochemist. Among others there is a lawyer and probably many other all together intelligent people debating this Atkins. It suprises me just how many intelligent people are either on the diet, or adamantly against it.

One of the sides is missing something. I have no idea which though.
:huh:
 
Angela Harlem said:


Just so beli knows <snip> It suprises me just how many intelligent people are either on the diet, or adamantly against it.

One of the sides is missing something. I have no idea which though.
:huh:

Thats kewl Angela. Thanks, I didn't know Anitram was a Biochemist. Im not offended by this kind of argument. Most of it has been rational and polite. Its not a winnable argument for anyone. People believe what they want to, read what they want to.

LadyLemon, I probably sounded a bit narky in my post this morning. My apologies for the way I came across. I still stand by the sentiment that theres a heck of a lot more data proving against Atkins then for but I didnt express myself in a mature manner. For this I apologise. I do get frustrated with my own inability to understand people from the USA. This diet is a classic example. We do have Atkins diet here, but not anywhere to the same extent as the USA. I find this diets main stream acceptance in the USA to be very very foreign.
 
I can see why people would be Anti-Atkins, especially when the media delights in going on about how much fat you eat when you're doing Atkins. For the record, you can't eat as much cheese as you like - you can have up to 3-4oz per day.

I am following a low-carb diet, and I don't eat huge amounts of fatty food. For breakfast I make myself porridge from ground linseed (flaxseed) and soy protein. For lunch I will have lean meat / tuna with salad and maybe a small piece of cheese for calcium (I can't have too much dairy as I have allergies) , and for dinner I will eat more lean meat (eg chicken breast) with green veg - brocolli, cauliflower, cabbage). As a snack I will have a handful of berries - usually strawberries, blueberries and raspberries.

Every now and then for a treat I will have sugar free jelly (or Jello if you're American!). I don't eat any of the pre-prepared low carb food, as for me, one of the major pluses of the diet is not eating processed food anymore. How can it be unhealthy for me to be only eating natural foods?

Once I get closer to my target weight I will re-introduce whole grains, soy yoghurt and more fruits. I take supplements every day, but not the Atkins branded ones - I stick to a standard multi vitamin and the calcium tablets prescribed by my doctor (because of the dairy allergy)

You never 'come off' the Atkins diet - it's a lifestyle change. Hence why you'll never see an Atkins official call it a diet - it's a 'nutritional approach'.
 
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bammo2 said:
You never 'come off' the Atkins diet - it's a lifestyle change

This is the best net result of the Atkins experience. By simply eliminating refined sugars, and carbo-loaded "comfort" foods, and the unnecessary "side" dishes to meals (french fries, etc.), you have improved your health. It is great self training.
 
beli said:


LadyLemon, I probably sounded a bit narky in my post this morning. My apologies for the way I came across. I still stand by the sentiment that theres a heck of a lot more data proving against Atkins then for but I didnt express myself in a mature manner. For this I apologise. I do get frustrated with my own inability to understand people from the USA. This diet is a classic example. We do have Atkins diet here, but not anywhere to the same extent as the USA. I find this diets main stream acceptance in the USA to be very very foreign.

Oh it's no problem...I just had to call you on that assumption though :sexywink:
 
It has been very interesting reading all of this debate on the atkins diet. Being a vegetarian my diet has always included heaps of carbs and in later life I have noticed myself put on weight, which is hard as most people assume that a vegetarian diet equals a thin waist line,. After all of the banter on carbs I did a little research and realised that carbs do put weight on you if you dont burn them off and if your diet is on carb overload then you are guranteed to put on weight. I noticed with myself that over a period of time my food intake remained the same, and at this rate I was relatively slim for my height, however my alcohol consumption increased and I did zero exercise. My carb intake increased and I was doing nothing to burn it off. And with hitting my mid twenties, where my metabolism was slowing down, I noticed myself go up two dress sizes.

I really believe in eating well and luckily for me I really dont find any takeaway/junk food nice or appealing, mainly because it is made from meat. I managed to put on weight and I do see carbs as one of the culprits and the other was no exercise. I really believe that all diets where you have to radically change your lifestyle are bad and not easily sustainable. After seeing a dietician I have changed my diet a little, as I was not prepared to give up my alcohol consumption I have now halved my other carb intake, so now instead of two pieces of toast in the morning I just have one and I have been eating loads more tofu and I have also upped my exercise levle. I really believe that nothing comes easy when it comes to weight loss, basically you just gotta get off your butt and limit what you eat and eat a healthy diet, simple:)
 
Angela Harlem said:


Just so beli knows (if she is at all interested :sexywink: ), we have bonosloveslave on the 'FOR' team with a degree in vet science (not exactly medicine I know) - therefore a pretty good knowledge of science, and also anitram on the 'AGAINST' team who is a biochemist. Among others there is a lawyer and probably many other all together intelligent people debating this Atkins. It suprises me just how many intelligent people are either on the diet, or adamantly against it.

One of the sides is missing something. I have no idea which though.
:huh:

I was thinking the same thing. It's a fascinating debate and it's been going on since the day the Atkins diet was introduced. I just look at all the people I've known who've done Atkins and loved it, it was a success with no ill effects. One person--only one out of I don't know how many but lots and lots of people I know who've done the Atkins diet--experienced an increase in cholesterol and decided it wasn't the right diet for him.

I think what's missing in both sides is an ackowledgment that everyone is different, and high carbo diets work for some people and high protein diets work for others. They both have something going on for them.
 
OzAurora said:
It has been very interesting reading all of this debate on the atkins diet. Being a vegetarian my diet has always included heaps of carbs and in later life I have noticed myself put on weight, which is hard as most people assume that a vegetarian diet equals a thin waist

Same here.
 
After watching my officemate drop 22 lbs in one month on Atkins and not put it back on in the months that followed, I decided to try it for 2 weeks not just to lose those winter 5 lbs but also I suspect I have some food allergies and candida, both of which could be addressed on Atkins. Also, I?ve been a vegetarian for 18 years and am paying dearly for it at this point in my life so I really need to eat protein and wean myself off a vegetarian diet, which after all these years I feel is a terrible way to live. It?s great until you hit 40 and then take a look at your bloodwork.

So I?m on day 4, following the induction phase of Atkins religiously. The results? I have no energy. I am having dizzy spells. I can?t sleep. I have bad breath. I'm very irritable (stay away from me, I tell you!) I?m constipated?for the first time in my life. And I haven?t lost any weight, not even the water weight you?re supposed to lose the first few days. I?m not having sugar cravings and I feel sated after eating, but otherwise I feel like shit.

So for those of you who have been on this diet and experienced positive results, like many of my friends, is this all normal and will it improve soon? Like, later today???? I?m not looking for more Atkins bashing, just the experience of people who have been on it.
 
Well, everything you've described is pretty par for the course during induction. I usually level off and start feeling really good around the 5th or 6th day (I've done induction 3 times).

The only thing I have a continual problem with is the constipation...even when I increase my salad greens I still feel really backed up so to speak :uhoh: I've started using a fiber supplement in the morning but so far, no luck.

And you probably haven't lost any weight yet because you don't have a large amount of fat stored away because of your vegan diet...I think people with larger amounts of weight to lose tend to lose it quicker.

Other than the digestive symptoms, I can tell you that once I got past the yucky part of induction, my skin cleared up and all of the yeast related problems I was having virtually disapeared. I feel really, really good right now.

Give it another week and see how you feel :)
 
Bono's American Wife said:

Give it another week and see how you feel :)

Thanks, BAW! I will. I'm committed to it because I think it can work for my specific needs. I can't do it as a lifestyle, though, but it's helpful to learn how to integrate low carb/high protein in moderation into my already generally healthy approach to eating (after the induction phase, that is).
 
I need to eat more protein, but healthy food is too expensive, so I will live off of cheap pasta, chocolate, sandwiches, and crisps until I die of a heartattack at the ripe old age of 33. Positive thinking :sexywink::up:
 
:hug: meegannie! :hug:

If I come to London in June (which I think I will) I will buy you a healthy protein rich meal.
 
I felt pretty crummy for the first week with headaches and feeling tired, but it got much better. Actually I am trying Oil of Oregano for candida right now, and for the first 2 days of that, man! It felt like a perpetual severe hangover :sick:
 
Whatever happened to moderation in eating and excercise? Is it easier to stay on a diet that forbids certain kinds of foods than it is to eat a reasonable amount of whatever you want? I don't get it.
 
But is there anything I can do about the smell of bacon in my house? I have not lived in a house that smelled like bacon since the Reagan administration.
 
najeena said:
Whatever happened to moderation in eating and excercise? Is it easier to stay on a diet that forbids certain kinds of foods than it is to eat a reasonable amount of whatever you want? I don't get it.

Moderation and exercise is totally what it's all about for me. I eat well, do pilates and go the gym religiously. I'm just doing Atkins to shed a few winter ice cream pounds and to do a wheat/gluten cleanse as an experiment to see if it clears up candida and some suspected food allergies. Atkins kind of does all that, supposedly. I do not think that Atkins as a lifestyle is a healthy way to eat.

AND, the arthritis in my left wrist has mysteriously disappeared this week. Coincidence?
 
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Here's an article I ran into while searching for diet info on the net. It seems to make a lot of sense, and I found it quite interesting.

Now it kind of makes sense that when I was in my teens and in ballet I would eat very low calorie meals during the week and go crazy on the weekend binging, but I would still be too heavy. This sheds some light on it.....

I have invented my own diet where I have divided fruit, dairy, good carbs (bran, oats, brown rice etc), bad carbs (sugar, pastries, pasta etc), protein and fats into percentages of my day's intake. I can have unlimited veggies.

I am now trying whenever possible to eat my daily carbs in the morning so I will have the day to burn it off. Overall I'm just trying to stay under 2,000, preferably under 1,800 cals a day. I am starting to train for this bicycle marathon and I am ALWAYS hungry, so I may have to start spacing the meals out.....so we will see how THIS diet works.

One thing's for sure, I did go on Atkins for awhile and the minute I stopped (because I just don't have the willpower to give up that much good food!) I gained it all back again. I think it's a great quick fix, but no way could I personally make a lifestyle out of it, and that's what it really has to be. :shrug:

Living With Obesity At 700 Calories Per Day
by David Greenwalt, CSCS


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I want you to consider a common female client. She's a woman about 5'5" and 185 pounds. A combination of a mostly sedentary lifestyle, quick-fix, processed foods and consistent excessively low calories has resulted in an incredibly stubborn fat loss scenario. Not only has it created a stubborn fat loss scenario but her ability to add body fat is remarkably strong. Most would believe there is simply no possible way she could be 185 pounds eating mostly low calories. While it's true the average obese American created their own obesity by being a huge overconsumer, a sedentary glutton if you will, many are able to maintain their level of obesity with the right combination of starvation coupled with binges coupled with a continued sedentary lifestyle.

An initial review of this woman's calories indicates she is just above starvation level in the 400-700 per day range. The food choices are mostly protein in this case (low-carb is all the rage you know) and there are virtually no vegetables or fruits to speak of. Five or six days per week the calories remain low in this range, however, there are nighttime binges from time to time and weekend binges where carbs loaded with fat (doughnuts, rolls, cookies, pizza etc.) are consumed. So while the calories are very low the majority of the time, there are one to two days per week where this isn't always the case. Even so, the nighttime binges and weekend slackoffs don't amount to what you might presume would be thousands of extra calories, thus explaining the 185-pound body weight. Very few foods are prepared from home. There are lots of fast foods being consumed. Convenience and taste rule.

I must say. Early on in my coaching and teaching career this woman was a real head scratcher for me. Isn't it calories in and calories out? Even if she's not active she's starving! How in the heck does she stay at 185 eating an average, including all binges, of maybe 750 calories per day? She's frustrated beyond belief. She sees her friends and coworkers eating more and weighing less. Is she simply unlucky? Is everyone else blessed? And what in the world is she supposed to do to fix this, IF it can be fixed?

First, let me tell you why she's not losing weight. Then I'll tell you what she has to do to fix the situation. With a chronic (months and months) intake of less than 1000 calories per day and a 185-pound body weight her metabolism is suffering greatly. It's running cool, not hot. It's basically running at a snail's pace. Think of it this way. Her metabolism has matched itself to her intake. She could, indeed, lose body fat but she's in that gray area where she is eating too few calories but not quite at the concentraction-camp level yet. If she were to consume 100-300 calories per day her body would have virtually no choice but to begin liberating stored body fat. This is NOT the solution. It's unhealthy and stupid in fact.

Not only has her metabolism matched her intake, her body has maximized production of enzymes that are designed to help store any additional calories as fat. Anytime additional, immediately-unnecessary calories are consumed the enzymes are there and waiting to store the additional calories as fat. Her body is starved nutritionally and it has one thing on its mind--survival. Being mostly sedentary, her metabolism (hormones play a large role here) can do a pretty good job of keeping things slow enough so that the pathetically low calories she's consuming are just enough to maintain. But since certain enzymes are elevated, waiting for more calories so more bodyfat can be stored, every nighttime binge or weekend mini-feast will contribute to fat stores. So on the days she's not bingeing her body does not lose fat, or if it does, it's very little. And on the few days or times she does binge a bit her body is quite efficient at storing fat. So, while she may lose a smidge of fat from starving it is quickly replaced with every binge. Remember, these binges aren't a gluttonous 4000-calorie feast. Oh no, a binge might be 4-5 cookies worth about 500-700 calories. But since the binge foods are mostly carbs and fat it's very easy for the enzymes to shuttle the dietary fat into stored body fat. It's what they were designed to do.

Well then, now that we presumably know some valid reasons why she's not seeing a scale change and definitely no body fat change how do we fix her? We have to do something she's going to freak out over. We have to get her eating more. Not only do we have to get her eating more but more of the right, whole foods need to be eaten. Foods lower in fat that aren't as easily STORED as body fat have to be consumed. And we have to warn her. We have to warn her that since she's been sedentarily living on protein with binges of carbs and fats she is likely to see a weight gain right away. It's true. Once we begin really feeding her body with nutritious carbohydrates so she can become more active her glycogen-depleted body will hang on to some of those carbohydrates (in skeletal muscle and liver) so she has stored energy for activity. And when her body hangs on to those carbohydrates it has no choice but to hang on to more water too. For every gram of glycogen (stored carbs) she stores she'll hang on to three grams of water. This is not a negative response by the body but it will be interpreted by her as quite negative when she steps on the scale. It's quite likely she'll see a five to seven pound weight gain when she really starts eating properly again. This weight gain will remain for one to three weeks before it starts moving in the other direction.

For argument's sake let's assume the Calorie Calculator and Goal Setter suggests a 1500-calorie per day average in week one for a one-pound loss per week. First, she is going to freak out about THIS MANY calories. For months she's been eating less than 1000 and usually around 400-700 in one to three feedings total per day. To her 1500 calories is a TON of food. And if she even begins to eat less fast- and packaged-foods it WILL be a ton of food. There is no doubt whatsoever that she will resist the increase. This resistance may take one to three weeks to overcome. During this period no weight loss will occur. She is too fat already in her mind and believes it will only hurt her to increase her food intake. I mean, after all, isn't that how she got fat to begin with? In her early stages of fat gain this was probably true. She likely overconsumed. But as I've said already, that's not why she's staying heavy.

In addition to a freaked-out mindset about adding more food to her already overfat body she will simply find that it's all but impossible to eat four or more times per day. She's just not hungry. Makes sense when you think about it. Why would she be hungry three hours after eating a 300-calorie, balanced breakfast? Her body is used to 400-700 calories per day! So, even though she gets a plan and begins using the NA to log foods and meals she finds after having a balanced breakfast of 250ish calories she couldn't force herself to eat meal number two on time. It'll take several more days of realizing what is going on and being one-hundred percent honest and diligent with her logging and planning before she begins to eat her meals as planned no matter what--even if she's not hungry. By now two to four weeks have passed and the only thing she's seen on the scale is it going up--not very encouraging if I say so myself.

After the first two to four weeks have passed she's probably beginning to consume her meals as planned although not quite like an "A" student yet. But that is coming. She feels better because she's working out and is more active. And she feels like she has more energy throughout the day because she's feeding her body more calories and the right kinds of calories. She has finally begun eating the right kinds of fast foods (low in fat, moderate in protein) and less packaged food overall. She is making more meals from home and taking them to work for lunch rather than always grabbing something quick from a vending machine or the break room that always has some treat another employee brought in.

After another two weeks or so she's moved from a "B" grade to more consistent "A"s. She's planning her days one day ahead in the NA, she's consuming fresh veggies and fruits on a daily basis. Her calories are almost ALWAYS in line with what is recommended by Lean Account and she has seen her first signs of the scale moving in the right direction. She is now dropping from 190 pounds (her high after reintroducing food and carbohydrates again) to 189.3! "Progress at last!" she says. In actuality, the entire process was progress. But that's not how she saw it in the beginning.

With a total of two to four weeks of increased caloric intake behind her and eating more consistently the right kinds of foods her metabolism has truly begun to rebound. She didn't kill it as she thought. She only wounded it. And since our metabolisms are like kids (they are quite resilient) and she doesn't have thyroid issues or diabetes or any known wrench that could be thrown into the spokes of fat loss, she will begin, for the first time in months or years, to see results that make sense and that one would expect of someone who is active (at least 30 minutes five or more days per week) and consuming a caloric intake of 1300-1500 calories per day.

This process is in no way easy. I think you can see a plethora of ways it could be screwed up, sabotaged, given up on too early and so forth. A key to success for this very common woman (men too) is not giving up too soon, having faith in the fix, and moving sooner rather than later to the increased, quality food intake. It's going to take effort to overcome the mental hurdles of eating more food as well as the increase in scale weight that IS going to occur in weeks one to three or so. It's disheartening, however, to charge hard down the field of weight loss only to get to the one-yard line and decide it's time to quit. Many don't realize they only had one more yard to go and they'd have had a touchdown. You gotta hang in there with this plan. It's going to take some time for the glycogen levels to be replenished and level out. It's going to take some time for mental adjustments to occur. It's going to take some time before hunger signals are restored to anything close to normal. It's going to take time for the metabolism to rebound and not be in its protective mode. In certain, very stubborn cases, it may be necessary to eat at a eucaloric (maintenance) or hypercaloric (over maintenance) level for a few weeks to ensure the metabolism does get the signal that everything is alright and you aren't going to kill the body. Remember, your body could care less about your desire for fat loss. It just wants to survive.

The take-home points of this article are as follows:

The most common cause of obesity is Americans are sedentary overeaters/drinkers. Nothing in this article should be construed as to say that undereating is the root cause of obesity. It's not.
It IS common for many men and women to be undereating with sporadic binges as I described here. This creates a perfect environment for continued obesity even if total caloric intake is quite low on average.
Low-carb followers or "starvers" WILL see the scale go up when calories are consumed at reasonable levels again and carbohydrates are reintroduced. Live with it. Deal with it. It's going to happen. 98% of the gain will be water.
The time it takes for mental acceptance and other adjustments to occur will vary but one should expect a two to four week window for these things to take place. Being forewarned with an article like this may speed this process up some.
Once the right types of foods are consumed and the right caloric intake is consumed and the right ratios of carbohydrates, proteins and fats are consumed on a consistent basis, then, and only then, will metabolism begin to be restored and the key to fat loss be inserted into the lock with a noticeable drop in the scale resulting. This may take an additional two to four weeks to occur. Your metabolism is never dead or broken for good. But it may take several weeks of proper eating and activity for it to be restored.
From day one, until the first, noticeable drop in the scale occurs may be four to six weeks--maybe one to two weeks longer. Those who give up on the one-yard line will never see the scale drop as will occur when intelligent persistence and consistency over time are adhered to.
David Greenwalt CSCS
 
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joyfulgirl said:

I'm just doing Atkins to shed a few winter ice cream pounds

I do not think that Atkins as a lifestyle is a healthy way to eat.


Are the pounds not going to come back, if you just don't eat ice cream again when you go off "Atkins"? You don't really know what "Atkins" entails if you say it's not healthy as a lifestyle - that was one of Dr. Atkins main points - like anything else, if you don't stick with it, the effect is only temporary. You can call it "low carbing" or being "carb-conscious", but Atkins by definition IS a way of life. [/semantics-soapbox]

What's so healthy about eating processed foods with refined sugar and trans-fats that makes up so much of the average diet? What is unhealthy about getting the majority of your carbohydrate intake from vegetables and fruit?
 
bonosloveslave said:


Are the pounds not going to come back, if you just don't eat ice cream again when you go off "Atkins"?

I doubt the pounds will come back. I don't have a weight problem or a food problem in any ongoing sense. I have never been on a diet in my life to loose weight because I have never needed to. I got lazy over the winter (I'm talking about 5 lousy pounds here!) but I have lived a healthy lifestyle most of my adult life and am interested in nutrition and exploring different avenues. And as I said, weight loss isn't the only reason I'm doing this diet.

bonosloveslave said:

What's so healthy about eating processed foods with refined sugar and trans-fats that makes up so much of the average diet? What is unhealthy about getting the majority of your carbohydrate intake from vegetables and fruit?

Who said that was healthy? I don't eat that crap except the occasional ice cream and other treats like most people. But I'm not into denial of food I like either; I'm into moderation. I already get the majority of my carb intakes from vegetables and fruit. I simply think that for me and my body type I need far less meat than the Atkins diet promotes while needing more than I've gotten on a vegetarian diet. But I also think people process foods differently--Atkins may be great for many people, but I know it's not for me as a lifestyle. I'm looking for my middle road.
 
I'm still doing weight watchers and still losing weight. The key for me is balance and moderation. Carbs, protein, fat, alcohol - can't say I've met one that I haven't liked and I still eat them just not all the time. I eat a lot more fruit and vegetables than I ever did before and you know what - I like them. No one is overweight from eating too many carrots.
 
Update:

Day 8 on Atkins, all the carb withdrawal symptoms are gone and I feel kind of incredible. I don't own scales so I don't know how much I've actually lost but when my housemate and I meet at the coffee pot each morning and pull up our shirts and say "do I look thinner?" we both think we do, lol...
 
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