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And she just did what you're saying you don't like by calling my credibility into question. Folks, it's time to drop the double standards. |
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She was also dishonest about the thoughts I expressed in earlier posts. Maybe I should have just left it at "disingenuous". |
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You certainly seem to be trying your very hardest to minimize her experiences and use that one point (the crotch grabbing that she never claimed to experience every night) as sufficient evidence to call her dishonest.
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You called her a liar, that's what I saw. This is all just so ridiculous. |
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But I get slammed for calling it out? |
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I think the issue is you’re complaining about your argument being mischaracterized while you’re doing the exact same thing in return.
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back on topic at least
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I never "went after women". I simply mentioned a double standard that no one seems to want to admit exists. |
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"it's interesting to me that neither he nor those agreeing with the spirit of his posts seemed to take a moment to consider that he was all hot and bothered over being sexually assaulted TWICE, in drunken bar scenarios. Like, that was my night every night at a bar in college. Before midnight. "
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Wow you are something else. Where did I say this caused intense pain??!! And why is THAT the standard? Also in the interest of being clear I meant the nights at the bar when I was AT the bar. Not every day of the week (I wish), but your typical weeknight drunken college drinking. |
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Do you think this is vindication for you? It is clearly not. She claims that sexual assault was a regular thing for her. NOWHERE does she say or even imply that she had the exact same type of sexual assault as you happen to her every night. That is entirely your own mischaracterization of her words. |
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Don't get me wrong, in court the PD or private defense attorneys and I would go at it pretty fiercely...even shouting at each other a few occasions. It could get intense. But that was all just in the courtroom and part of the job. They had to zealously defend their client and I had to represent the state. We both had jobs to do. One second we'd be shouting at each other and then the judge would have a recess and we'd be shooting it talking about our plans for the weekend. And at the end of the day more times than not we'd all get a beer together. The PD's were really good sports usually, because they had the tougher job than I with less pay and clients who lied to them all day. But few people took courtroom arguments personally, no matter how heated they got, and we left them in the courtroom. To do otherwise would just be lame and unprofessional. Occasionally you'd get really zealous types, but eventually they mellowed out or just didn't last. The only time anything became an issue outside the courtroom is if someone lied to you or did something unethical. Quote:
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On that note, will you be apologizing to me for the MRA insinuations, clearly mischaracterizing my earlier posts, or belittling my experiences being sexually assaulted? Or are we still holding up double standards? I make one unintentional error and my feet are held to the fire. Yet you do three fucked up things intentionally and it's all good? I don't think so. My initial point wound up being proved. Not only are there double standards in place, we can't even talk about them without fear of character attacks. |
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So what was that you were saying Kiwilad? Let me introduce you to the real redhill...
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pretty much every night out as a student i would think about my safety and have a "strategy" to stay safe, if i was ever on my own walking thru town late at night - heck even during the day in Paris! i was a target when i first arrived in Paris, young, naive, too trusting and smiley in general and always returning eye contact, and it got me a lot of unwanted attention, and i soon learned that it was like a "sport" and Parisian women had to be tough and it didn't matter if you were rude to a man who was being out of line - i pretty much learnt to scowl constantly when out and about on my own (the "fuck-off-and-don't-even-think-about-it face") and always move fast and with purpose, ALWAYS avoid eye contact and ALWAYS be rude to or ignore strange men - it's a horrible way to feel you have to behave like this, but it's for self-preservation... i have absolutely no qualms about offending men i don't know who might think i'm rude when i reject their advances... it soon helped me feel empowered and that it was ok to reject unwanted attention, strongly... these are not one-off things, women have to think about this every day, how to keep themselves safe in their day to day... jeesus, when i was young, i would catch the bus home late at night and sprint home down the middle of the road (was once nearly grabbed by a weirdo as i walked along the pavement past a driveway on my way home alone from the school bus as a child - so as a teenager was wary about dark driveways at night and always ran home in the middle of the street, never on the pavement) i almost laugh about these things as i have survived and avoided any close shaves i have had over the years but i guess it's pretty fucked up that girls have to be "on guard" the whole time... nothing ever caused me "pain" but it does fuck with your head and put you constantly on the edge with worry anitram i'm sorry to hear you had so much hassle - that is horrible! my own experience is pretty different - when i was a student, many of my best friends were boys, and when we were out and about in a group i guess i felt pretty secure in my crowd of friends (obviously alone it was different, and i would be "on my guard")... bless them, the one time i did have my ass grabbed, we were all walking thru town late one night after a night out, and i went to give the guy a verbal pounding but one of my darling lad friends steered me away by my shoulders and told me to keep walking with the others (really rough area of Paris), and he went and put his arm round the guy's shoulders, walked him away from me back into the bar, and he basically schooled him gently on how girls really don't appreciate that, and literally talked to him for about 15 min and the guy bought him a beer haha... i will never forget what he did for me and i owe a lot to having the boys around as maybe they were a deterrent, and they did take care of me and the other girls (these are just really good mates, not boys who we were in relationships with)... another time, i was walking thru Paris, and a guy follows me and starts walking next to me and puts his arm round my shoulder walking alongside of me, it was daylight but i got really upset, and shrugged his arm off me and told him to get lost, and then he said he was only trying to be "nice", and i told him he wasn't be nice and you don't go around doing that to women, and he actually apologised and said he didn't mean any harm, and left me alone... i guess maybe it could have gone badly though and i'm thankful it didn't... have had worse - seeing as we're spilling - me and a girl friend were in a metro carriage on our own with just one guy sitting on the other side of the aisle from us and it suddenly dawned on us he was actually wanking - thankfully the train had just pulled up at a station and we looked at each other in horror and jumped off the train, he actually stumbled to his feet lurching after us but his pants were falling down and he couldn't move fast enough, lol asshole... but we were both incredibly shaken after that jeesus... sorry for all the gory details, but as we're sharing... there was a really good thread on twitter about this kind of thing (then made into an article in The Independent), about what women face day to day - will find it and post it... https://www.indy100.com/article/woma...nation-8161801 |
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