Immigration - Page 2

U2DMfan · 07-31-2014, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by the iron horse

People legally immigrant to the United States every year.
According to the Department of Homeland Security, the United States accepted 1,062,040 legal permanent residents in fiscal year 2011, a number that has been fairly steady over the past few years.

92,228,531 people were in the United States a hundred years ago (1910 census) and neither any of them or any of their ancestors were subject to any immigration laws. You wanted to come here, you came here.

I don't understand why any of us or our ancestors are better than the people currently trying to come here or are here illegally. I have this conversation with my dad all the time. I get why a 72-year old country boy who grew up in a certain era might feel this way...but people roughly my age and younger?

I live in the Mexican part of my city, surrounded by "illegals". Most of them are damn good people. I feel like they should have a shot to be citizens. Get them on the roll and paying taxes. We're not any better than they are but especially not based on where we were - physically and geographically - when our mother's gave birth to us.

If I were them, I'd be doing the same thing.

bigjohn2441 · 07-31-2014, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by U2DMfan

92,228,531 people were in the United States a hundred years ago (1910 census) and neither any of them or any of their ancestors were subject to any immigration laws. You wanted to come here, you came here.

I don't understand why any of us or our ancestors are better than the people currently trying to come here or are here illegally. I have this conversation with my dad all the time. I get why a 72-year old country boy who grew up in a certain era might feel this way...but people roughly my age and younger?

I live in the Mexican part of my city, surrounded by "illegals". Most of them are damn good people. I feel like they should have a shot to be citizens. Get them on the roll and paying taxes. We're not any better than they are but especially not based on where we were - physically and geographically - when our mother's gave birth to us.

If I were them, I'd be doing the same thing.

Hmm lets see:

World Population in 1910 - Approx 1.75 Billion

World Population in 2014 - Approx 7.2 Billion

So by your thinking we should have NO immigration laws and let ANYONE who want's to come here that wants to, including those without a pot to piss in (nor any sort of skill or trade) from 3rd world nations. And when they come here and can't support themselves (I know, impossible in this job market

) who is going to support them? How about we take 50-75% or more of YOUR wages if you feel that strongly about it?

And also by that logic you are comfortable with rapists, murderers, and career criminals immigrating here without any of those pesky immigration laws, right?

And also all the people with incurable and/or contagious diseases and STDs can all come too right? Maybe we can all pay for their treatment as well.

mikal · 07-31-2014, 08:37 PM

Rapists are bad. But we also should be mindful not to provoke them in any way.

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BVS · 07-31-2014, 08:43 PM

bigjohn, you bring up a good point. Are diseases considered(and if so which ones), and how in our legal immigration process?

Is how they pay the bills considered?

What is exactly considered in the legal process and is it fair, is it enough?

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bigjohn2441 · 07-31-2014, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

bigjohn, you bring up a good point. Are diseases considered(and if so which ones), and how in our legal immigration process?

Is how they pay the bills considered?

What is exactly considered in the legal process and is it fair, is it enough?

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Yes and yes.

Accoring to 8 USC 1182 any "alien" with a disease of "public health significance" is inadmissable. Also any "alien" that is or will become a "public charge", that is someone that will become dependant on government services, is also inadmissable.

That being said, it is up to the consulate officer to decide who gets the visa and who doesnt.

cobl04 · 07-31-2014, 09:10 PM

Wow, you're a fucking arsehole.

cobl04 · 07-31-2014, 09:13 PM

The rape/violence/disease/blahblahblah shit is one of my favourite straw men. I always forget that white people have never committed any crimes or been sick.

bigjohn2441 · 07-31-2014, 09:17 PM

Lol typical libtard logic. Miss the whole point and resort to personal attacks and play the race card.

so predictable.

BVS · 07-31-2014, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjohn2441

Yes and yes.

Accoring to 8 USC 1182 any "alien" with a disease of "public health significance" is inadmissable. Also any "alien" that is or will become a "public charge", that is someone that will become dependant on government services, is also inadmissable.

That being said, it is up to the consulate officer to decide who gets the visa and who doesnt.

So there is no testing or screening?

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bigjohn2441 · 07-31-2014, 09:31 PM

yes, any visa applicant has to go through a medical exam.

or is that racist too?

mikal · 07-31-2014, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cobl04

The rape/violence/disease/blahblahblah shit is one of my favourite straw men. I always forget that white people have never committed any crimes or been sick.

What a predictable libtard response.

Murica! Fuck yeah!

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bigjohn2441 · 07-31-2014, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mikal

What a predictable libtard response.

Murica! Fuck yeah!

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Oh shut up you racist!!!!

Vlad n U 2 · 07-31-2014, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjohn2441

Lol typical libtard logic. Miss the whole point and resort to personal attacks and play the race card.

so predictable.

Nice, guess we can safely say that we've found a ready made replacement for the likes of INDY on this board.

cobl04 · 07-31-2014, 09:59 PM

Not sure I ever saw even INDY as bad as this "bigjohn" character, comments on depression aside.

Vlad n U 2 · 07-31-2014, 10:01 PM

INDY could sometimes produce a coherent post.

BVS · 07-31-2014, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjohn2441

yes, any visa applicant has to go through a medical exam.

or is that racist too?

What does the medical exam entail?

You're angry about a lot things, but lack TRUE details.

Don't play the racist card. I'm just asking you questions.

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mikal · 07-31-2014, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

What does the medical exam entail?

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Rape

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bigjohn2441 · 07-31-2014, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mikal

Rape

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Exactly. Only of minorities though. White people from other countries get a free pass. Right?

Oh wait, that's probably too incoherent for you people to understand.

OH SHIT, I said "you people".

Irvine511 · 08-01-2014, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjohn2441

Lol typical libtard logic.

Could you not do this?

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Galeongirl · 08-01-2014, 02:40 AM

wow... okay...

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07-31-2014, 08:37 PM	#23
mikal Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Black Lodge Posts: 26,544 Local Time: 11:15 AM	Rapists are bad. But we also should be mindful not to provoke them in any way. Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference

07-31-2014, 08:43 PM	#24
BVS Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: between my head and heart Posts: 41,228 Local Time: 10:15 AM	bigjohn, you bring up a good point. Are diseases considered(and if so which ones), and how in our legal immigration process? Is how they pay the bills considered? What is exactly considered in the legal process and is it fair, is it enough? Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference

07-31-2014, 09:10 PM	#26
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 57,934 Local Time: 02:15 AM	Wow, you're a fucking arsehole.

07-31-2014, 09:13 PM	#27
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 57,934 Local Time: 02:15 AM	The rape/violence/disease/blahblahblah shit is one of my favourite straw men. I always forget that white people have never committed any crimes or been sick.

07-31-2014, 09:17 PM	#28
bigjohn2441 Refugee Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,593 Local Time: 12:15 PM	Lol typical libtard logic. Miss the whole point and resort to personal attacks and play the race card. so predictable.

07-31-2014, 09:31 PM	#30
bigjohn2441 Refugee Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,593 Local Time: 12:15 PM	yes, any visa applicant has to go through a medical exam. or is that racist too?

07-31-2014, 09:59 PM	#34
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 57,934 Local Time: 02:15 AM	Not sure I ever saw even INDY as bad as this "bigjohn" character, comments on depression aside.

07-31-2014, 10:01 PM	#35
Vlad n U 2 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 28,361 Local Time: 01:45 AM	INDY could sometimes produce a coherent post.