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Listening to music releases same brain chemicals as food, drugs, sex | Human World | EarthSky

Scientists have found that the pleasurable experience of listening to music releases dopamine, a neurotransmitter in the brain important for more tangible pleasures associated with rewards such as food, drugs, and sex.

The new study also reveals that even the anticipation of pleasurable music induces dopamine release. The same is the case with food, drug, and sex cues. The study is from The Montreal Neurological Institute and Hospital – The Neuro at McGill University. It was published in the journal Nature Neuroscience.

The team at The Neuro measured dopamine release in response to music that elicited “chills,” changes in skin conductance, heart rate, breathing, and temperature that were correlated with pleasurability ratings of the music. “Chills” or “musical frisson” is a well-established marker of peak emotional responses to music. A novel combination of PET and fMRI brain imaging techniques revealed that dopamine release is greater for pleasurable versus neutral music, and that levels of release are correlated with the extent of emotional arousal and pleasurability ratings. Dopamine is known to play a pivotal role in establishing and maintaining behavior that is biologically necessary. Dr. Robert Zatorre, neuroscientist at The Neuro, said:

These findings provide neurochemical evidence that intense emotional responses to music involve ancient reward circuitry in the brain. To our knowledge, this is the first demonstration that an abstract reward such as music can lead to dopamine release. Abstract rewards are largely cognitive in nature, and this study paves the way for future work to examine non-tangible rewards that humans consider rewarding for complex reasons.

Lead investigator Valorie Salimpoor, a graduate student in the Zatorre lab at The Neuro and McGill psychology program, added:

Music is unique in the sense that we can measure all reward phases in real time, as it progresses from baseline neutral to anticipation to peak pleasure all during scanning. It is generally a great challenge to examine dopamine activity during both the anticipation and the consumption phase of a reward. Both phases are captured together online by the PET scanner, which, combined with the temporal specificity of fMRI, provides us with a unique assessment of the distinct contributions of each brain region at different time points.

Using a combination of imaging techniques, the study reveals that the anticipation and experience of listening to pleasurable music induces release of dopamine, a neurotransmitter vital for reinforcing behavior that is necessary for survival. The study also showed that two different brain circuits are involved in anticipation and experience, respectively: one linking to cognitive and motor systems, and hence prediction; the other to the limbic system, and hence the emotional part of the brain.

And I'm sure anticipating the new album has dopamine involvement. I also wonder if it's involved in hasty judgements when we listen to a new U2 album. Do we start saying the following when we get the chills?

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That's pretty neat. :hmm: So in a way, going to concerts is satisfying your drug craving.

I wonder if these effects stack, or if there's a ceiling to the body's max dopamine levels. Because when one is tripping on various drugs, the appreciation of music changes. Even the perception of it becomes so much more intense. Specifically on XTC or LSD, you can nearly 'see' the sounds. I wonder what it'd be like to have those effects in a live concert setting.
 
That's pretty neat. :hmm: So in a way, going to concerts is satisfying your drug craving.

It's more than that. It effects most of your life. You release dopamine in goal settings but do we do it for the big hit or should we take it in smaller doses? The research shows that if we take big goals in our life we need to break them down into smaller goals so as we cross off small goals achieved off our list we are releasing small amounts of dopamine. Small amounts throughout the day prevents us from being depressed and sluggish. Then when the big goal is complete we get a larger hit. If you procrastinate and go for the big goal, like cramming for an exam, you might not achieve it and no dopamine. Boredom happens when there are no goals or belief you can do them.

With music there are probably limits to how much you can listen to an album before dopamine is exhausted for that activity. Put the U2 albums away for awhile and listen to them again and you get the chills. Listen to them too much and boredom arises.
 
That's definitely true. I only listen to most of my absolute favorite records once or twice a year or something. Although sometimes I'm addicted to a certain artist/album for a while.:lol:

Makes the listening experience so much more rewarding.
 
Yeah you can't just go for big hit after big hit. If that would happen, we'd just go from one hit to another, neglecting our primary and secondary needs and eventually die of starvation. That experiment has been reproduced many time with rats that had electrodes attached to their brains, so each time they pulled a lever they would get a satisfying shock that released dopamin in their brains. Once they figured it out, they would just pull and pull the lever, neglecting food, drink or sex. Until they died of exhaustion.


And, in our case, humans can only handle a significant amount of impulses a day. If we encounter an identical impulse more often, our brain starts to ignore it. That's why you don't hear the white noise that is audible when you put a shell to your ear. It's filtered out. So if you would listen to the same song over and over again, after a while it won't have as big of an impact anymore.
 
With music there are probably limits to how much you can listen to an album before dopamine is exhausted for that activity. Put the U2 albums away for awhile and listen to them again and you get the chills. Listen to them too much and boredom arises.

Diminishing returns are at work here, rather than dopamine exhaustion. Dopamine is available pretty much indefinitely but reduces in response to familiar stimuli, so you require new or more intense stimuli for the same reaction. When folks talk about various "addictions" that are not actually physically habituating like gaming, sex, thrill seeking and so on, what they are really talking about is dopamine addiction. Which is why we're all standing around here going WHERE THE FUCK IS THE NEW ALBUM?
 
I would say that article describes really well how I felt during and after going to U2 shows. People talk about "coming down from a U2 high" after a show, and that explains it. Sometimes just remembering what it was like gives me the same feeling. It was a combination of euphoria and contentment at the same time. I've never been high on drugs, but is that what it feels like?
 
I would say that article describes really well how I felt during and after going to U2 shows. People talk about "coming down from a U2 high" after a show, and that explains it. Sometimes just remembering what it was like gives me the same feeling. It was a combination of euphoria and contentment at the same time. I've never been high on drugs, but is that what it feels like?

Peak experience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia U2 is one band who are explicit about the goal of creating peak experiences at their shows. All rock shows do when they're good- it's the secular religion of our age- but I like that U2 are so intentional about creating the ecstatic experience.

"It was a combination of euphoria and contentment at the same time"
I haven't been to a U2 show yet but it does sound like some other dopamine-triggering experiences that I know of. :shifty:


(Side note: are U2 singular or are they plural? ie "U2 is one band who are..." I stumble over this all the time.)
 
I would say that article describes really well how I felt during and after going to U2 shows. People talk about "coming down from a U2 high" after a show, and that explains it. Sometimes just remembering what it was like gives me the same feeling. It was a combination of euphoria and contentment at the same time. I've never been high on drugs, but is that what it feels like?

It's a similar feeling, but MUCH less intense than drugs. :wink: That depends on the drug of course, but the experience is quite different.

The feeling of being high on XTC could be best explained as the feeling when you've just fallen in love. Funnily enough I had both happening around the same time, so it was easy to compare. :lol: Just the enormously uplifted mood, general euphoria and loving everything and everyone near you, no fear for anything, no worries, it's brilliant.
 
Adrienne When (or Aidreen Edgelovesaids) Oh now I get it.

@deanbriggs That's why I'm glad they're not talking about it. It's not like NLOTH at all. It's powerful stuff. I actually got chills.

A ha dopamine! :wink:
 
That also occurs when one listens to something new from their favourite artists. :wink: See the Bomb leak thread and Vertigo leak threads for proof of my point. The proper judgment comes much later, when the initial dopamine/serotonin rush has worn off.
 
If you wear that velvet dress. My dopamine level likes that song...

Probably Oxytocin too.

That also occurs when one listens to something new from their favourite artists. :wink: See the Bomb leak thread and Vertigo leak threads for proof of my point. The proper judgment comes much later, when the initial dopamine/serotonin rush has worn off.

Yes. It's amazing how mind chemicals can explain 95% of human behaviour. When Wilma is complaining that Fred doesn't take her out enough. How people look when they are shopping in malls. Why communism fails. It runs the gambit. :wink:
 
:wink: That's why I'm fascinated by neuroscience, haha. Though I'm working with the computer, it's still figuring out what chemical goes where, and what fits where. It's mad how one little molecule can make such a huge difference in a person's behaviour.
 
That also occurs when one listens to something new from their favourite artists. :wink: See the Bomb leak thread and Vertigo leak threads for proof of my point. The proper judgment comes much later, when the initial dopamine/serotonin rush has worn off.

I remember when NLOTH leaked and everyone was falling over and drooling and saying how it was the greatest thing ever. And now... :lol:
 
:D I still do that and I still love it! Perhaps even more than when I first listened to it. Some songs had to grow on me.
 
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