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genesis199125 said:
That's what I was wondering too......it was mentioned here on this thread that The Who had an audience of over 91,000 at their show in Philadelphia.....maybe they might be using a different criteria to come up with the top 5......maybe no opening act?
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What about U2 360's record breaking Giants Stadium night two? There were 84k+ there as reported by numerous media outlets...

Yes, this list is clearly incomplete.
 
About the South America discussion....
(here's my Argeitne economist self coming out)
- Strongh currencies allowing high USD grossing and thus higher chances for promoters to push for more shows.
- Economic activity recovering strongly in Arg, Chi , Bra ... but also Peru , Uruguay. If it were for the audience , they could fill stadiums there as well...
...This are high times in terms of big act coming and having demand. AC/DC is playing 3 River Plate stadium (1 in 1993), Madonna did 4 River Plate Stadium (1 in 1993), Soda Stereo made a reuion tour playing 6 River Plates stadiums (1 in 1997). Tougher economic times or not, there's been a jump in the ability of promoters to market stadium acts an selling them.
I wouldn't surprise me to see U2 performing 4 times in Argentina. If they take the time, they could easily go to markets they hadn't been before as Peru , Uruguay and maybe Colombia or Venezuela, in which they will have instant sell-outs. They could add a third brazilian city if they wish.
Don't know what will happen. US and Europe 1st round appeard scarce , but we are not seeing that there was a second leg coming. If we add both legs, I believe both US and Europe tours footprint is now more dense than in any other tour, am I right?
Finally, I guess the finances say that the more shows , the cheaper the cost, if they go to South America it will be best to get as much juice out of it as they can. It might be their last time making such a touring effort.
 
badu2fan said:
Not sure but wouldn't Grateful Dead at Englishtown count as a one band headliner show???? Marshall Tucker and NRPS opened show..... that show had over 100k
It wasn't in a stadium but MT and NRPS sure weren't headliners.......

That might have been before the kept records of such nonsense.....
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Well, how do you know there were actually 100,000+ at this Grateful Deade show? What year did it take place? Was it reported to Billboard Boxscore? Do you have the official boxoffice results listing precise gross and attendance. Without the precise boxoffice results, the only way to confirm attendance, it can't be listed as any sort of a record.
 
Rob33 said:
so where did U2 play in 1992 to the crowd of 225,000? :hmm:
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They didn't play any where to a crowd of that size. Largest crowd they played to in 1992 was 62,000 in Madison Wisconsin. MOGGIO is combining the entire attendance for U2 in Southern California to get that figure. He is combining 1 San Diego arena show, 2 LA arena shows, 1 San Diego Stadium show, 3 LA Stadium shows on ZOO TV to get to that figure. These shows were played in the spring and fall of 1992 on ZOO TV and happened over two legs.

Thing is, once you add in the 2 Anaheim shows they will play in 2010 on the 2nd leg, 360 will likely top ZOO TV's combined attendance figure for southern California.
 
CosmoKramer said:
What about U2 360's record breaking Giants Stadium night two? There were 84k+ there as reported by numerous media outlets...

Yes, this list is clearly incomplete.
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I think they are restricting it to single show performances that clearly have the attendance for the single night listed. The Boxscore for Giant Stadium combines the attendance figure for two nights so from that its not clear what the exact attendance is for each night. Still, with 164,000 combined attendance for both nights, both shows should be on the list, as the #5 show has only 73,000.
 
genesis199125 said:
The list of U.S. grosses is also totally inaccurate.

According to Pollstar:

Top North American Concert Grosses of All Time

Barbra Streisand has the actual highest grossing single engagement with $14.6 million at the MGM Grand Garden Arena on December 31, 1999.......which is well after 1991.
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They may have decided not to include that show because it was a special event celebrating New Years Eve on December 31, 1999 and I don't believe part of any concert tour. There are people obviously at the event because its a New Years Eve party, not just because Barbara was performing.

Other than this, the list seems to be completely accurate from January 1991 up to the present.
 
Maoilbheannacht said:
They didn't play any where to a crowd of that size. Largest crowd they played to in 1992 was 62,000 in Madison Wisconsin. MOGGIO is combining the entire attendance for U2 in Southern California to get that figure. He is combining 1 San Diego arena show, 2 LA arena shows, 1 San Diego Stadium show, 3 LA Stadium shows on ZOO TV to get to that figure. These shows were played in the spring and fall of 1992 on ZOO TV and happened over two legs.

Thing is, once you add in the 2 Anaheim shows they will play in 2010 on the 2nd leg, 360 will likely top ZOO TV's combined attendance figure for southern California.
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I'm only going to say this one more time. Stop implying that Moggio is posting as someone else.

One more time and this thread will get closed.
 
Maoilbheannacht said:
They may have decided not to include that show because it was a special event celebrating New Years Eve on December 31, 1999 and I don't believe part of any concert tour. There are people obviously at the event because its a New Years Eve party, not just because Barbara was performing.

Other than this, the list seems to be completely accurate from January 1991 up to the present.
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Well, I don't think Billboard can really make that assumption. Barbra Streisand was the only performer at this show, and it was marketed to be her "farewell" concert. Certainly that had an effect, but Billboard cannot exclude it based on that presumption. It wasn't really a party, it was an actual full Barbra Streisand concert.
 
genesis199125 said:
Well, I don't think Billboard can really make that assumption. Barbra Streisand was the only performer at this show, and it was marketed to be her "farewell" concert. Certainly that had an effect, but Billboard cannot exclude it based on that presumption. It wasn't really a party, it was an actual full Barbra Streisand concert.
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Well, thats not how I remember the show being advertised back then. Billy Joel also did a similar show at Madison Square Garden on December 31, 1999. Both I believed involved specially prepared meals, drinks, and other party related non-musical activities and things not normally seen at a regular concert.

While Barbra Streisand may have been the only music performer, I believe there were comedy acts as well.

Again, the list appears to be completely accurate from January 1991 up to today. Billboard has a computerized data base of all boxscores going back to January 1991.

Streisand played shows just next year, in 2000, and is still playing shows. I don't recall the December 31, 1999 show as being billed as her final concert. Be a bit strange to do that with tickets on sale for other shows following that one in 2000.
 
genesis199125 said:
Well, I don't think Billboard can really make that assumption. Barbra Streisand was the only performer at this show, and it was marketed to be her "farewell" concert. Certainly that had an effect, but Billboard cannot exclude it based on that presumption. It wasn't really a party, it was an actual full Barbra Streisand concert.
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Just sloppy reporting. These are more important to the people reading them than the people reporting them. This isn't a presidential election (which as we have seen is also prone to miscounting and dispute).
 
Back to discussion of U2 360 boxscores...

nothing is obviously official yet, but the local news channels here in Phoenix reported around 66,000 for the AZ show.

I have to believe it myself; 3 sections were completely tarped off, and another had very few people in it. Since the stadium officially holds 72,000, I'm going with that number as a guess.
 
Top Attendance at a U.S. concert by a single headliner:

1. U2 - Rose Bowl; Pasadena, Calif. (Oct. 25, 2009)
Attendance: 97,014
Gross: $9,960,036

2. The Who - JFK Stadium; Philadelphia, PA. (September 25, 1982)
Attendance: 91,451
Gross: $1,440,353

4., 5. Rolling Stones - JFK Stadium; Philadelphia, PA. (September 25-26, 1981)
Attendance: 181,564 (average 90,782 per show)
Gross: $2,859,633

6. , 7. , 8. , 9. Rolling Stones - LA Memorial Coliseum; Los Angeles, CA. (October 18-19; 21-22, 1989)
Attendance: - 360,068 (average 90,017 per show)

10. Rolling Stones - Superdome; New Orleans, LA. (December 5, 1981)
Attendance: 87,500
Gross: $1,531,250

11. U2 - John F. Kennedy Stadium, Philadelphia (Sept. 25, 1987)
Attendance: 86,145
Gross: $1,593,683

12. U2 - FedExField; Landover, Md. (Sept. 29, 2009)
Attendance: 84,754
Gross: $6,718,315

13. Journey - Rose Bowl; Pasadena, Calif. (July 2, 1982)
Attendance: 83,214
Gross: $1,373,031

14. The Who - LA Memorial Coliseum; Los Angeles, CA. (October 29, 1982)
Attendance: 83,000
Gross: $1,365,415

15., 16. U2 - Giants Stadium; East Rutherford, NJ. (September 23-24, 2009)
Attendance: 161,810 (average 80,905 per show)
Gross: $16,128,950

17. Pink Floyd - JFK Stadium: Philadelphia, PA (September 19, 1987)
Attendance: 80,754

18. The Who - Rich Stadium; Buffalo, N.Y. (September 26, 1982)
Attendance: 80,000
Gross: $1,200,000

19., 20. Rolling Stones - Cotton Bowl; Dallas, Texas (November 1, 3, 1981)
Attendance: 156,000 (average 78,000 per show)
Gross: $2,695,332

21., 22. Rolling Stones - Silverdome; Pontiac, Michigan (November 30, December 1, 1981)
Attendance: 152,696 (average 76,348 per show)
Gross: $2,290,490

23. Pink Floyd - Ohio State University Stadium; Columbus, Ohio (May 29, 1994)
Attendance: 75,250
Gross: $2,406,920

24. The Who - Silverdome; Pontiac, Mich. (September 30, 1982)
Attendance: 75,000
Gross: $1,119,000

25. Rolling Stones - Rich Stadium; Buffalo, N.Y. (September 27, 1981)
Attendance: 75,000
Gross: $1,125,000

26. Rolling Stones - Sun Devil Stadium: Tempe, Arizona (December 13, 1981)
Attendance: 74,637
Gross: $1,287,488

27. Foreigner - Anaheim Stadium; Anaheim, Calif. (July 17, 1982)
Attendance: 73,351
Gross: $1,100,255

28. Backstreet Boys - Georgia Dome, Atlanta (Feb. 19, 2000)
Attendance: 73,337
Gross: $2,787,098
 
Bruce Springsteen also did 4 nights at the LA Memorial Coliseum in 1985.

The Foreigner show was a festival called Summer Stomp that also included Loverboy, Scorpions and Iron Maiden. The Journey show was also a festival with Blue Oyster Cult and possibly other arena level headliners on the bill.

Led Zeppelin drew upwards of 75,000 to the Silverdome.
 
Top Attendance at a U.S. concert by a single headliner:

1. U2 - Rose Bowl; Pasadena, Calif. (Oct. 25, 2009)
Attendance: 97,014
Gross: $9,960,036

2. The Who - JFK Stadium; Philadelphia, PA. (September 25, 1982)
Attendance: 91,451
Gross: $1,440,353

4., 5. Rolling Stones - JFK Stadium; Philadelphia, PA. (September 25-26, 1981)
Attendance: 181,564 (average 90,782 per show)
Gross: $2,859,633

6. , 7. , 8. , 9. Rolling Stones - LA Memorial Coliseum; Los Angeles, CA. (October 18-19; 21-22, 1989)
Attendance: - 360,068 (average 90,017 per show)

10. Rolling Stones - Superdome; New Orleans, LA. (December 5, 1981)
Attendance: 87,500
Gross: $1,531,250

11. U2 - John F. Kennedy Stadium, Philadelphia (Sept. 25, 1987)
Attendance: 86,145
Gross: $1,593,683

12. U2 - FedExField; Landover, Md. (Sept. 29, 2009)
Attendance: 84,754
Gross: $6,718,315

13. Journey - Rose Bowl; Pasadena, Calif. (July 2, 1982)
Attendance: 83,214
Gross: $1,373,031

14. The Who - LA Memorial Coliseum; Los Angeles, CA. (October 29, 1982)
Attendance: 83,000
Gross: $1,365,415

15., 16., 17., 18. Bruce Springsteen - LA Memorial Coliseum; Los Angeles, Calif. (Sept 27-30 & Oct 2, 1985)
Attendance: 331,892 (average 82,973 per show)
Gross: $5,688,445

19., 20. U2 - Giants Stadium; East Rutherford, NJ. (September 23-24, 2009)
Attendance: 161,810 (average 80,905 per show)
Gross: $16,128,950

21. Pink Floyd - JFK Stadium: Philadelphia, PA (September 19, 1987)
Attendance: 80,754

22. The Who - Rich Stadium; Buffalo, N.Y. (September 26, 1982)
Attendance: 80,000
Gross: $1,200,000

23., 24. Rolling Stones - Cotton Bowl; Dallas, Texas (November 1, 3, 1981)
Attendance: 156,000 (average 78,000 per show)
Gross: $2,695,332

25. Aerosmith - Silverdome; Pontiac, Michigan (May 8, 1976)
Attendance: 76,900
Gross: $645,824

26., 27. Rolling Stones - Silverdome; Pontiac, Michigan (November 30, December 1, 1981)
Attendance: 152,696 (average 76,348 per show)
Gross: $2,290,490

28. Led Zeppelin - Silverdome; Pontiac, Michigan (April 30, 1977)
Attendance: 76,229

29. Pink Floyd - Ohio State University Stadium; Columbus, Ohio (May 29, 1994)
Attendance: 75,250
Gross: $2,406,920

30. The Who - Silverdome; Pontiac, Mich. (September 30, 1982)
Attendance: 75,000
Gross: $1,119,000

31. Rolling Stones - Rich Stadium; Buffalo, N.Y. (September 27, 1981)
Attendance: 75,000
Gross: $1,125,000

32. Rolling Stones - Sun Devil Stadium: Tempe, Arizona (December 13, 1981)
Attendance: 74,637
Gross: $1,287,488

33. Foreigner - Anaheim Stadium; Anaheim, Calif. (July 17, 1982)
Attendance: 73,351
Gross: $1,100,255

34. Backstreet Boys - Georgia Dome, Atlanta (Feb. 19, 2000)
Attendance: 73,337
Gross: $2,787,098

35., 36. Bruce Springsteen - Orange Bowl; Miami, Florida (September 9-10, 1985)
Attendance: 146,458 (average 73,229 per show)
Gross: $2,563,015


So, although the Backstreet Boys performance at the Georgia Dome was listed in the top 5 for attendance in the article, its actually not even in the top 30 once you include shows prior to January 1991.



Note: There are two Rolling Stones shows at LA Memorial Coliseum in Los Angeles, a Police show at JFK Stadium in Philadelphia, a Police show at Hollywood Park in California that could potentially make this list of shows, which consist of shows with 73,000+ attendance per show. But no official boxscore was posted in Billboard for those shows.

Rolling Stones - LA Memorial Coliseum; Los Angeles, Calif (October 9-10, 1981)
Attendance: ?
Gross: ?

The Police - JFK Stadium; Philadelphia, PA (August 20, 1983)
Attendance: ?
Gross: ?

The Police - Hollywood Park; Hollywood, Calif (September 5, 1983)
Attendance: ?
Gross: ?






Festivals and shows that appear to be festivals:

"SPIRIT OF SUMMER 76" #1
Line up: Yes / Peter Frampton / Gary Wright / Pousette Dart Band
JFK Stadium; Philadelphia, PA (June 12, 1976
Attendance: 105,000
Gross: $1,050,000

Allman Brothers / Marshall Tucker / Outlaws / Molly Hatchet / .38 Special
JFK Stadium; Philadelphia, PA (June 20, 1981)
Attendance: 90,000
Gross: $1,350,000

LIVE AID - JFK Stadium; Philadelphia, PA (July 13, 1985)
Attendance: 89,484
Gross: $3,552,800

TEXAS WORLD MUSIC FESTIVAL
Deep Purple / Night Ranger / Scorpions / Ted Nugent / Bon Jovi / Grim Reaper / Victory
Cotton Bowl; Dallas, Texas (August 24, 1985)
Attendance: 80,000
Gross: $1,467,864

FARMAID - Memorial Stadium; University Of Illinois Champaign, Illinois (September 22, 1985)
Attendance: 79,000
Gross: $1,450,500
 
what about Rod Stewart? Didn't he play a show at Rio de Janeiro in 1994 that smashed records?
 
I have a question that originated out of a discussion in another thread, and I thought maybe one of you boxscore gurus could enlighten me.

When a show doesn't sell out and there are many, many visible empty seats during the show, and yet the show is reported as sold out in later box scores, how do they "adjust" the numbers to reflect a sell out when it really wasn't? I'm sure I've read that there are ways of doing this, but I can't remember how. Thanks for any answers you can provide. :)
 
VintagePunk said:
I have a question that originated out of a discussion in another thread, and I thought maybe one of you boxscore gurus could enlighten me.

When a show doesn't sell out and there are many, many visible empty seats during the show, and yet the show is reported as sold out in later box scores, how do they "adjust" the numbers to reflect a sell out when it really wasn't? I'm sure I've read that there are ways of doing this, but I can't remember how. Thanks for any answers you can provide. :)
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The primary reason you see empty seats at a show that was marked as a sellout is because the seats were not released for purchase. Of course, those tickets could have been released at any time in order to accomodate a sudden increase in demand before the show, but provided that they are not released for purchase before the boxoffice closes, they do not have any impact on whether the show is marked a sellout.

Another reason for groups of empty seats is the failure of scalpers to re-sell their tickets.

When the # of tickets sold, matches the number of tickets released for purchase, the show is marked a sellout, even if the figure is less than the maximum physical capacity of the venue.
 
The Highest Attended Concerts In United States History:

1. U2 - Rose Bowl; Pasadena, Calif. (Oct. 25, 2009)
Attendance: 97,014
Gross: $9,960,036

2. The Who - JFK Stadium; Philadelphia, PA. (September 25, 1982)
Attendance: 91,451
Gross: $1,440,353

3., 4. Rolling Stones - JFK Stadium; Philadelphia, PA. (September 25-26, 1981)
Attendance: 181,564 (average 90,782 per show)
Gross: $2,859,633

5. , 6. , 7. , 8. Rolling Stones - LA Memorial Coliseum; Los Angeles, CA. (October 18-19; 21-22, 1989)
Attendance: - 360,068 (average 90,017 per show)

9. Rolling Stones - Superdome; New Orleans, LA. (December 5, 1981)
Attendance: 87,500
Gross: $1,531,250

10. U2 - John F. Kennedy Stadium, Philadelphia (Sept. 25, 1987)
Attendance: 86,145
Gross: $1,593,683

11. U2 - FedExField; Landover, Md. (Sept. 29, 2009)
Attendance: 84,754
Gross: $6,718,315

12. Journey - Rose Bowl; Pasadena, Calif. (July 2, 1982)
Attendance: 83,214
Gross: $1,373,031

13. The Who - LA Memorial Coliseum; Los Angeles, CA. (October 29, 1982)
Attendance: 83,000
Gross: $1,365,415

14., 15., 16., 17. Bruce Springsteen - LA Memorial Coliseum; Los Angeles, Calif. (Sept 27-30 & Oct 2, 1985)
Attendance: 331,892 (average 82,973 per show)
Gross: $5,688,445

18., 19. U2 - Giants Stadium; East Rutherford, NJ. (September 23-24, 2009)
Attendance: 161,810 (average 80,905 per show)
Gross: $16,128,950

20. Pink Floyd - JFK Stadium: Philadelphia, PA (September 19, 1987)
Attendance: 80,754

21. The Who - Rich Stadium; Buffalo, N.Y. (September 26, 1982)
Attendance: 80,000
Gross: $1,200,000

22., 23. Rolling Stones - Cotton Bowl; Dallas, Texas (November 1, 3, 1981)
Attendance: 156,000 (average 78,000 per show)
Gross: $2,695,332

24. Aerosmith - Silverdome; Pontiac, Michigan (May 8, 1976)
Attendance: 76,900
Gross: $645,824

25., 26. Rolling Stones - Silverdome; Pontiac, Michigan (November 30, December 1, 1981)
Attendance: 152,696 (average 76,348 per show)
Gross: $2,290,490

27. Led Zeppelin - Silverdome; Pontiac, Michigan (April 30, 1977)
Attendance: 76,229

28. Pink Floyd - Ohio State University Stadium; Columbus, Ohio (May 29, 1994)
Attendance: 75,250
Gross: $2,406,920

29. The Who - Silverdome; Pontiac, Mich. (September 30, 1982)
Attendance: 75,000
Gross: $1,119,000

30. Rolling Stones - Rich Stadium; Buffalo, N.Y. (September 27, 1981)
Attendance: 75,000
Gross: $1,125,000

31. Rolling Stones - Sun Devil Stadium: Tempe, Arizona (December 13, 1981)
Attendance: 74,637
Gross: $1,287,488

32. Foreigner - Anaheim Stadium; Anaheim, Calif. (July 17, 1982)
Attendance: 73,351
Gross: $1,100,255

33. Backstreet Boys - Georgia Dome, Atlanta (Feb. 19, 2000)
Attendance: 73,337
Gross: $2,787,098

34., 35. Bruce Springsteen - Orange Bowl; Miami, Florida (September 9-10, 1985)
Attendance: 146,458 (average 73,229 per show)
Gross: $2,563,015


So, although the Backstreet Boys performance at the Georgia Dome was listed in the top 5 for attendance in the article, its actually not even in the top 30 once you include shows prior to January 1991.



Note: There are two Rolling Stones shows at LA Memorial Coliseum in Los Angeles, a Police show at JFK Stadium in Philadelphia, a Police show at Hollywood Park in California that could potentially make this list of shows, which consist of shows with 73,000+ attendance per show. But no official boxscore was posted in Billboard for those shows.

Rolling Stones - LA Memorial Coliseum; Los Angeles, Calif (October 9-10, 1981)
Attendance: ?
Gross: ?

The Police - JFK Stadium; Philadelphia, PA (August 20, 1983)
Attendance: ?
Gross: ?

The Police - Hollywood Park; Hollywood, Calif (September 5, 1983)
Attendance: ?
Gross: ?






Festivals and shows that appear to be festivals:

"SPIRIT OF SUMMER 76" #1
Line up: Yes / Peter Frampton / Gary Wright / Pousette Dart Band
JFK Stadium; Philadelphia, PA (June 12, 1976
Attendance: 105,000
Gross: $1,050,000

Allman Brothers / Marshall Tucker / Outlaws / Molly Hatchet / .38 Special
JFK Stadium; Philadelphia, PA (June 20, 1981)
Attendance: 90,000
Gross: $1,350,000

LIVE AID - JFK Stadium; Philadelphia, PA (July 13, 1985)
Attendance: 89,484
Gross: $3,552,800

TEXAS WORLD MUSIC FESTIVAL
Deep Purple / Night Ranger / Scorpions / Ted Nugent / Bon Jovi / Grim Reaper / Victory
Cotton Bowl; Dallas, Texas (August 24, 1985)
Attendance: 80,000
Gross: $1,467,864

FARMAID - Memorial Stadium; University Of Illinois Champaign, Illinois (September 22, 1985)
Attendance: 79,000
Gross: $1,450,500
 
VintagePunk said:
I have a question that originated out of a discussion in another thread, and I thought maybe one of you boxscore gurus could enlighten me.

When a show doesn't sell out and there are many, many visible empty seats during the show, and yet the show is reported as sold out in later box scores, how do they "adjust" the numbers to reflect a sell out when it really wasn't? I'm sure I've read that there are ways of doing this, but I can't remember how. Thanks for any answers you can provide. :)
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Usually attendance and gross are accurate. EVen though there is always a point where not another person can be squeezed in and not another seat can be sold, capacity, percentage etc are often just made up numbers and reported so after the fact. Either the seats were never purchased or purchased and never used. Ask yourself if it makes sense to sell out a show while leaving many seats empty (we are talking in general areas, not production kills).
 
Grateful Dead - Dick's Picks 15 - Englishtown 1977 (Album Review)

Other large concerts not held at racecourses have included Rod Stewart at Copacabana Beach in Rio (3. 5 million, 1994); Garth Brooks in Central Park in New York City (750,000 people, 1997); the US Festival in Devore, CA (670,000 people, 1983); the Isle of Wight Festival in the UK (500,000+ people in 1970); and Simon & Garfunkle, again in Central Park (nearly 500,000 people in 1981).

interview with buddy cage about being in NRPS

Joining the New Riders
After you took over the reins of the pedal steel for Jerry, how were you received in that role, especially when you opened up for the Grateful Dead?
(BC) I had never before met such a group of generous people like the GD, including ALL their crew & staff AND Bill Graham!!!!!!!!!! Generous musically, spiritually. Kindness you just don't see every day.
The New Riders were one of the bands performing at Raceway Park in Englishtown, NJ back on Sept. 3, 1977, as an opening act for the Grateful Dead. I understand there was over 100,000 in attendance. What is it like playing for such a large crowd? (The GD released their performance of that show on Dick's Picks Vol. 15)
(BC) Very moving, very intense.
Marshall Tucker was on the bill too. I always thought The New Riders and Marshall Tucker Band shared many similar traits, namely incorporating blues, county, and rock into their sound and importantly, some flat out great picking in both bands. Do you like them much? (BC) Loved 'em! Toy was a pal...
R.I.P.

Lots of young folks don't even know about the big shows in the music industry before all this keeping track records etc.... I went to 4 shows with over 100,000 back in the 70's
I am sure u2 could draw this many as well. Especially if they got rid of the $250 tickets.




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^ That's well and good, but those shows you mentioned were either free or a festival event.

We're not talking about those.
 
badu2fan said:
Grateful Dead - Dick's Picks 15 - Englishtown 1977 (Album Review)

Other large concerts not held at racecourses have included Rod Stewart at Copacabana Beach in Rio (3. 5 million, 1994); Garth Brooks in Central Park in New York City (750,000 people, 1997); the US Festival in Devore, CA (670,000 people, 1983); the Isle of Wight Festival in the UK (500,000+ people in 1970); and Simon & Garfunkle, again in Central Park (nearly 500,000 people in 1981).

interview with buddy cage about being in NRPS

Joining the New Riders
After you took over the reins of the pedal steel for Jerry, how were you received in that role, especially when you opened up for the Grateful Dead?
(BC) I had never before met such a group of generous people like the GD, including ALL their crew & staff AND Bill Graham!!!!!!!!!! Generous musically, spiritually. Kindness you just don't see every day.
The New Riders were one of the bands performing at Raceway Park in Englishtown, NJ back on Sept. 3, 1977, as an opening act for the Grateful Dead. I understand there was over 100,000 in attendance. What is it like playing for such a large crowd? (The GD released their performance of that show on Dick's Picks Vol. 15)
(BC) Very moving, very intense.
Marshall Tucker was on the bill too. I always thought The New Riders and Marshall Tucker Band shared many similar traits, namely incorporating blues, county, and rock into their sound and importantly, some flat out great picking in both bands. Do you like them much? (BC) Loved 'em! Toy was a pal...
R.I.P.

Lots of young folks don't even know about the big shows in the music industry before all this keeping track records etc.... I went to 4 shows with over 100,000 back in the 70's
I am sure u2 could draw this many as well. Especially if they got rid of the $250 tickets.




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Hey, I like that sparing use of blue font. Looks good.:wink:

Rod Stewart at Copacabana Beach in Rio (3. 5 million, 1994) FREE SHOW
Garth Brooks in Central Park in New York City (750,000 people, 1997); FREE SHOW

the US Festival in Devore, CA (670,000 people, 1983) Several dozen artist over 4 days. The attendance figure is a combined one. The day Van Halen headlined allegedly had 300,000 people.

the Isle of Wight Festival in the UK (500,000+ people in 1970); FREE SHOW

and Simon & Garfunkle, again in Central Park (nearly 500,000 people in 1981) FREE SHOW



Lots of young folks don't even know about the big shows in the music industry before all this keeping track records etc.... I went to 4 shows with over 100,000 back in the 70's
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How do you know there were 100,000 people there? Did you have to buy a ticket or was the show free? Without actual boxoffice results there is no way to confirm any of this. Sure, multi-band festivals, especially ones that are free, can generate some large crowd figures.


But its far more interesting to see which artist on their own are able to attract such large numbers of people to a show that requires the purchase of a ticket to attend.




Was the Grateful Dead show free or did it require the purchase of a ticket? Again, without boxoffice results, it will be impossible to confirm how many people attended the show.
 
Maoilbheannacht said:
The primary reason you see empty seats at a show that was marked as a sellout is because the seats were not released for purchase. Of course, those tickets could have been released at any time in order to accomodate a sudden increase in demand before the show, but provided that they are not released for purchase before the boxoffice closes, they do not have any impact on whether the show is marked a sellout.

Another reason for groups of empty seats is the failure of scalpers to re-sell their tickets.

When the # of tickets sold, matches the number of tickets released for purchase, the show is marked a sellout, even if the figure is less than the maximum physical capacity of the venue.
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ijwthstd said:
Usually attendance and gross are accurate. EVen though there is always a point where not another person can be squeezed in and not another seat can be sold, capacity, percentage etc are often just made up numbers and reported so after the fact. Either the seats were never purchased or purchased and never used. Ask yourself if it makes sense to sell out a show while leaving many seats empty (we are talking in general areas, not production kills).
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Thanks for the responses. :wave:

Yes, the method I was thinking of is where they don't release seats initially, and only release them later if there's demand, so they're not counted in the final tally if they aren't released.

In the case I'm thinking of, and based on the information you two gave me, I'm more inclined to think that the vast number of empty seats were purchases made by scalpers that they failed to resell.
 
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