MrsSpringsteen
Blue Crack Addict
Thanks for the condescending lecture diamond, now I am enlightened
You miss the point, but I'm not even going to bother..
You miss the point, but I'm not even going to bother..
deep said:
do you mean once convicted felon?
in the over whelming majority of states you do not lose your right to vote
only in backward states,
the same states that disenfranchised minorities in the past
yes, they are for the most part red, too.
Gina,MrsSpringsteen said:Thanks for the condescending lecture diamond, now I am enlightened
You miss the point, but I'm not even going to bother..
diamond said:
so according to your premise mr deep, your state would be 'enlightened' if your state let a convicted felon vote.
umm, no thanks.
db9
diamond said:
Gina,
No I didnt miss the point or lecture you.
Try this on, as a U2 fan you and I have spent days sitting on our duffs waiting to get into the arena to watch a friggin concert.
Is it so much of a sacrafice to stand in line for a few hours to elect an offcial without whining about an inconvience, esp when there are people literally dying to get the same oppurtunity/privilge we have in other countries?
The things we in this country take for granted and bitch about, other ppl would kill themselves to have in their own countries.
So my message is to those that had to stand in line longer than they thought was fair is to QUIT WHINING.
Unbelievable.
db9
diamond said:
Gina,
No I didnt miss the point or lecture you.
Try this on, as a U2 fan you and I have spent days sitting on our duffs waiting to get into the arena to watch a friggin concert.
Is it so much of a sacrafice to stand in line for a few hours to elect an offcial without whining about an inconvience, esp when there are people literally dying to get the same oppurtunity/privilge we have in other countries?
The things we in this country take for granted and bitch about, other ppl would kill themselves to have in their own countries.
So my message is to those that had to stand in line longer than they thought was fair is to QUIT WHINING.
Unbelievable.
db9
cydewaze said:Wow, I'm amazed. We now have two elections in a row where a significant portion of the population is suspicious of the result. It was inexcusable to let it slide the first time (because it breeds distrust), but we did.
This time we decide it's worth invistigating, and what do we get? People upset that our elected officals are trying to make sure that we are electing the person we actually voted for?
I'm really, really disappointed at the conservatives on this one. There's nothing partisan about verifying the integrity of an election. This behaviour is something I expect from small dictatorships, not the United States.
Anyone who is confident of Bush's legitimate win should welcome the chance to prove beyond a doubt that he won legitimately and such an outcome would really help to restore faith in the voting process (of which I have less and less).
Well, I'll guarantee you one thing. Had Kerry (or Gore) won under similar circumstances, you could bet your last dollar that the conservatives would never, EVER let it die. It would live on, Monica-style for the next 20 years, and we'd be beaten over the head with it at every debate.
cydewaze said:Wow, I'm amazed. We now have two elections in a row where a significant portion of the population is suspicious of the result. It was inexcusable to let it slide the first time (because it breeds distrust), but we did.
This time we decide it's worth invistigating, and what do we get? People upset that our elected officals are trying to make sure that we are electing the person we actually voted for?
cydewaze said:
I'm really, really disappointed at the conservatives on this one. There's nothing partisan about verifying the integrity of an election. This behaviour is something I expect from small dictatorships, not the United States.
Anyone who is confident of Bush's legitimate win should welcome the chance to prove beyond a doubt that he won legitimately and such an outcome would really help to restore faith in the voting process (of which I have less and less).
cydewaze said:[B
Well, I'll guarantee you one thing. Had Kerry (or Gore) won under similar circumstances, you could bet your last dollar that the conservatives would never, EVER let it die. It would live on, Monica-style for the next 20 years, and we'd be beaten over the head with it at every debate. [/B]
cydewaze said:Wow, I'm amazed. We now have two elections in a row where a significant portion of the population is suspicious of the result. It was inexcusable to let it slide the first time (because it breeds distrust), but we did.
This time we decide it's worth invistigating, and what do we get? People upset that our elected officals are trying to make sure that we are electing the person we actually voted for?
I'm really, really disappointed at the conservatives on this one. There's nothing partisan about verifying the integrity of an election. This behaviour is something I expect from small dictatorships, not the United States.
Anyone who is confident of Bush's legitimate win should welcome the chance to prove beyond a doubt that he won legitimately and such an outcome would really help to restore faith in the voting process (of which I have less and less).
Well, I'll guarantee you one thing. Had Kerry (or Gore) won under similar circumstances, you could bet your last dollar that the conservatives would never, EVER let it die. It would live on, Monica-style for the next 20 years, and we'd be beaten over the head with it at every debate.
cardosino said:
Perhaps if Kerry had not conceded the perception would be different ? He came across as certain he'd lost, if there's no support for the recount demand from the candidate himself, it's not likely to get a whole lot of poular support.
cydewaze said:This time we decide it's worth invistigating, and what do we get? People upset that our elected officals are trying to make sure that we are electing the person we actually voted for?
I'm really, really disappointed at the conservatives on this one. There's nothing partisan about verifying the integrity of an election. This behaviour is something I expect from small dictatorships, not the United States.
Anyone who is confident of Bush's legitimate win should welcome the chance to prove beyond a doubt that he won legitimately and such an outcome would really help to restore faith in the voting process (of which I have less and less).
BonoVoxSupastar said:Thank you, I'm glad some get it.
nbcrusader said:
I guess if you believe this is all about honor and integrity, you would be correct. Boxer sat on the issue until she could make a brief circus about it.
nbcrusader said:
Kerry got it. He won't stoop to this level of political stage play.
MrsSpringsteen said:Did Kerry say something about it? He's in Iraq
Just wondering nbc, not being sarcastic or whatnot
joyfulgirl said:
At this point I think it's more about future elections.
nbcrusader said:
Kerry got it. He won't stoop to this level of political stage play.
strannix said:
Ah yes, I think I remember this explained in the Voting Privileges Act of 1965.
Gosh, and to think, people complain about liberals being elitist. I can hardly think of anything "enlightened" about that statement, as all it does is justify pretty much any disenfranchisement I can think of.
Poll taxes, anyone?
cydewaze said:Wow, I'm amazed. We now have two elections in a row where a significant portion of the population is suspicious of the result. It was inexcusable to let it slide the first time (because it breeds distrust), but we did.
This time we decide it's worth invistigating, and what do we get? People upset that our elected officals are trying to make sure that we are electing the person we actually voted for?
I'm really, really disappointed at the conservatives on this one. There's nothing partisan about verifying the integrity of an election. This behaviour is something I expect from small dictatorships, not the United States.
Anyone who is confident of Bush's legitimate win should welcome the chance to prove beyond a doubt that he won legitimately and such an outcome would really help to restore faith in the voting process (of which I have less and less).
Well, I'll guarantee you one thing. Had Kerry (or Gore) won under similar circumstances, you could bet your last dollar that the conservatives would never, EVER let it die. It would live on, Monica-style for the next 20 years, and we'd be beaten over the head with it at every debate.
MrsSpringsteen said:I don't see where those people were "whining" - they couldn't vote even after waiting in line, that's the point I think.
I would have waited all day to vote if I had to, and it's far more important to me than any U2 concert, but that's not the point either.
verte76 said:
Yes, he did, I even got an e-mail from him about this. He's not playing this game, he's getting on with his life.