deep
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i am just saying the cheating spouse is at fault for damaging his marriage
not the prostitute
not the prostitute
deep said:i am just saying the cheating spouse is at fault for damaging his marriage
not the prostitute
nbcrusader said:
Takes two to tango.
And I've been discussing harm to society as a whole - not just on an individual basis.
Why not make it legal? Because I want to live in a society without so much perversion. Therefore, I feel this activity could be damaging to those of us who are trying to raise the next generation. In their rebellion stage, they have the propensity to believe that anything that is legal must be right.nbcrusader[/i] [B]Takes two to tango. And I've been discussing harm to society as a whole - not just on an individual basis.[/b][/quote]:up: [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Irvine511 said:there's always going to be a prostitute -- you've earlier admitted as much. why not make it legal, and therefore safer.
is the House responsible if you gamble away your life savings? is the gun responsible when you shoot someone?
and i've understood your argument is that the damage it does to an individual, or an individual relationship, is waht then in turn harms society, you've said nothing about how prostitution harms society as a whole.
We all believe in freedom, but our boundaries tend to differ. Nobody here - I HOPE - would be fine with me lifting up a girl's shirt without her consent. Some here believe that violent crimes are the only crimes that are the government's business. Based on that principle, it's okay for me to litter out of laziness than to be a good citizen and recycle as often as necessary. Our views differ a bit on self-destructive activities as well, I believe they should be discouraged, while you tend to believe in anything goes. In your humble opinion, are there any alternatives to legalized prostitution that would benefit society as a whole, as well as the woman? I just don't believe in trying to make a wrong a right.Irvine511 said:i guess it also comes down to how much freedom we should allow people to engage in activities that might be fun, that might be harmless, but might also be personally destructive.
who decides?
nbcrusader said:
Takes two to tango.
Macfistowannabe said:
Why not make it legal? Because I want to live in a society without so much perversion. Therefore, I feel this activity could be damaging to those of us who are trying to raise the next generation. In their rebellion stage, they have the propensity to believe that anything that is legal must be right.
First of all, I can find just as much if not more perversion in your church. I mean just by seeing some of the perversion of scripture that I see in here gives me a clue as to what kind of perversion is going on in some of the churches out there. Two, if you are raising the next generation and you are scared that they'll believe that anything legal is right then you're doing a shitty job raising the next generation. Drinking, smoking, pre-marital sex, divorce, hate, cussing, gambling, sex clubs, and wife swapping are all legal but I wouldn't say all are right.Macfistowannabe said:
Why not make it legal? Because I want to live in a society without so much perversion. Therefore, I feel this activity could be damaging to those of us who are trying to raise the next generation. In their rebellion stage, they have the propensity to believe that anything that is legal must be right.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
First of all, I can find just as much if not more perversion in your church. I mean just by seeing some of the perversion of scripture that I see in here gives me a clue as to what kind of perversion is going on in some of the churches out there. Two, if you are raising the next generation and you are scared that they'll believe that anything legal is right then you're doing a shitty job raising the next generation. Drinking, smoking, pre-marital sex, divorce, hate, cussing, gambling, sex clubs, and wife swapping are all legal but I wouldn't say all are right.
What basis of my post gives you the snotrockets to attack my church?BonoVoxSupastar said:
First of all, I can find just as much if not more perversion in your church. I mean just by seeing some of the perversion of scripture that I see in here gives me a clue as to what kind of perversion is going on in some of the churches out there. Two, if you are raising the next generation and you are scared that they'll believe that anything legal is right then you're doing a shitty job raising the next generation. Drinking, smoking, pre-marital sex, divorce, hate, cussing, gambling, sex clubs, and wife swapping are all legal but I wouldn't say all are right.
Macfistowannabe said:What basis of my post gives you the snotrockets to attack my church?
Irvine511 said:i guess it also comes down to how much freedom we should allow people to engage in activities that might be fun, that might be harmless, but might also be personally destructive.
who decides?
BonoVoxSupastar said:
you come off a little blind.
Irvine511 said:i guess it also comes down to how much freedom we should allow people to engage in activities that might be fun, that might be harmless, but might also be personally destructive.
who decides?
It wouldn't completely stop, but for those who desire to please their sexual desires could always go to strip clubs. Yes, it's happening, but if we don't enforce the laws, it's going to get worse. Legalization would further encourage the "career."all_i_want said:the prostitution will not stop just cause its illegal. the 'perversion' youre talking about, basicly 2 people having sex and one of them paying the other, is happening right now. i think you should weigh out the benefits and costs of legalizing prostitution rather than just playing the moral high ground and saying, 'they are awful, terrible, perverted people, shame on them!'
http://www.beverlylahayeinstitute.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3466&department=BLI&categoryid=reports
But a panel presentation titled "Prostitution: Male Violence Against Women Exposed" shed light on how instead of eradicating sex trafficking, legalizing prostitution exacerbates the problem.
Melissa Farley, Director of Prostitution Research and Education, a project of the San Francisco Women's Center, revealed the findings of a survey of 854 people currently or recently involved in prostitution in Canada, Colombia, Germany, Mexico, South Africa, Thailand, Turkey, the United States and Zambia, and their experiences of sexual and physical violence.
The survey showed that of those involved in prostitution:
89% wanted to escape, but did not have other options for survival;
65% to 95% had been sexually assaulted as children;
70% to 95% were physically assaulted;
60% to 75% were raped;
88% experienced verbal abuse and social contempt;
68% met criteria for post-traumatic stress disorder. The severity of symptoms was in the same range as combat veterans seeking treatment, battered women seeking shelter, rape survivors, and refugees from state-organized torture.
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Jeffreys explained that legalized prostitution did not solve the problem of criminal involvement in the industry. It did not solve the problem of unregulated expansion. And it did nothing to quell the violence committed against street-prostituted women. In fact, all of these problems worsened.
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The Far Left has argued that legalizing prostitution would enable women to choose their working conditions and their clients. According to an article in Victoria's The Age newspaper (3/1/1999), former pimps with criminal convictions are forbidden by legalized prostitution from owning legal brothels, but they control them under front organizations. Furthermore, it is virtually impossible for exploited women to set up business for themselves.
I would argue that not as many would be inclined to engage in prostitution, seeing that it is condemned by law. Again, strip clubs are available to the loose crowd who wants to make a quick buck.all_i_want said:and the young generation you are talking about, are they just going to say 'hey, prostitution is legal! let me go out and sell my body!' ? if people do this cause they need the money and dont have any other choice, they would do it anyway, legal or not.
Easy. If I had a prostitute in my past, I would not be with the woman I am with today. It's a scar of shame, at least where I come from. Limited pleasure for an exorbitant price, without a relationship. Once you're done, you gotta piss off. How does anyone enjoy this?all_i_want said:and if youre saying the young males will go out and sleep with prostitutes, well, as long as they are protected (which legalization will increase the chances of) what difference does it have from just having sex with your girlfriend? its also transferring funds to the economy?
Okay, this example is exaggerated, at least I think so. But should two relatives be taught that sex with each other is wrong, or should they screw away? There has to be some form of morality in the government. Morality IS NOT ALWAYS religion. By eliminating all morality from the government, I don't even find that secularly logical. The purpose of the law is to protect people, even when they are self-destructive. The purpose of the executive branch is NOT to rebel against the current laws, but to enforce them. SO WHERE IS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT? DO YOU EVEN BELIEVE IN IT? We will have STDs whether or not we legalize prostitution. The government is not responsible for every aspect of your sex life, plain and simple. No valid enough reason would bring me to lower my standards for the sake of a small percentage who ultimately destroy themselves inside out.all_i_want said:just because you think you know whats right and moral for others to do doesnt mean we should heed your advice. the legislation has the chance to make life better for so many people and doesnt do it because of it OWN moral issues? it doesnt even do this when people are dying of AIDS? what morality are we talking about?
Interesting point. More jobs are available to women now than ever before (correct me if I'm wrong). We've had a massive boom in double-income families in recent years. Women have been encouraged to take on jobs that wouldn't have been available to them sixty years ago. I'm not sure if what I'm saying relates to the debate for one side or the other, but it doesn't hurt to ponder a little bit.verte76 said:I'm not trying to rip off this thread, but I do have a question about this. Prostitution has been called "the world's oldest profession", and that's probably true. Why do you suppose that is? Is it because in former times it was not possible for women to work for a living the way we can now? Any other ideas?
verte76 said:I'm not trying to rip off this thread, but I do have a question about this. Prostitution has been called "the world's oldest profession", and that's probably true. Why do you suppose that is? Is it because in former times it was not possible for women to work for a living the way we can now? Any other ideas?
Administration officials recently started requiring U.S. AIDS groups seeking federal grants as support for their overseas programs to sign a pledge publicly opposing prostitution.
Many AIDS groups -- some of them considered liberal on social issues -- say the best way to limit the disease is to acknowledge that some people inevitably engage in risky behavior -- intravenous drug use, prostitution or multipartner sex, for example -- and health workers should try to both discourage those activities and make them less dangerous.
nbcrusader said:
I would think this two pronged approach to combating AIDS (discouraging risk behavior and making risky behavior safer) would not be controversial.
nbcrusader said:The aid is available to organizations who bring aid to people who've engaged in unprotected sex or used dirty needles.
You can discourage behavior without rejecting aid.
nbcrusader said:
Society does this all the time. Think of this when you buckle your seat belt. Or wear a helmet while on a motorcycle.