NotAnEasyThing
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icelle said:i find the thread title offensive.
Isn't that the point?
icelle said:i find the thread title offensive.
cardosino said:
I posted this article a few weeks ago, this is more in line with how I think, and many others too.
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20041220/religion_two.art.htm
Remember to throw James Dobson into that Buchanan/Falwell mix, and, from what I've seen and heard, Dobson is considered a strong-valued, rational, fatherly figure to most evangelical Christians --- hell, to conservative people in general. Keep in mind that Dobson has a syndicated program about "family values" that appears here in L.A. on one of the major AM news radio stations (I heard it in the middle of the news hour on KNX, if I remember correctly). This guy is considered level-headed.I'm sorry to see how you stereotype, but it's always the case that the media loves to report on the controversial comments of the Buchanan/Falwell (or maybe Sharpton/Jackson on the other side) rather than what might be the more mundane and positive, but less controversial actions of others.
NotAnEasyThing said:How sad that it has become equated with a judgemental, arogant, self righteous far right wing agenda that is anything but good news.
NotAnEasyThing said:The root of the word 'evangelical' means 'good news'. How sad that it has become equated with a judgemental, arogant, self righteous far right wing agenda that is anything but good news.
coemgen said:Your father's passing away, neutral? If so, I'm praying for you and your family.
pub crawler said:I'm guessing cardosino was being sarcastic with the thread title. And actually, I'm now thinking the title is entirely appropriate.
pub crawler said:
I can agree with a number of the points Wallis makes. Here's one problem though: Wallis is the editor for Sojourners, which is considered a liberal rag by many conservative Christians because it actually advocates having a balanced perspective as it pertains to one's faith. Right-wingers see only one way: to the right.
pub crawler said:
Remember to throw James Dobson into that Buchanan/Falwell mix, and, from what I've seen and heard, Dobson is considered a strong-valued, rational, fatherly figure to most evangelical Christians --- hell, to conservative people in general. Keep in mind that Dobson has a syndicated program about "family values" that appears here in L.A. on one of the major AM news radio stations (I heard it in the middle of the news hour on KNX, if I remember correctly). This guy is considered level-headed.
pub crawler said:
You can accuse me of stereotyping. I know many Christians that fall under the umbrella of "conservative evangelicalism" and I have personal experience with that community.
pub crawler said:I'm guessing cardosino was being sarcastic with the thread title
cardosino said:
And Left-wingers see only way: to the left ?
I'm not arguing with you. I wrote that you do not come across as the typical conservative evangelical. I don't think you're typical at all. I actually agree with a lot of what you've written.Don't be so quick to pigeonhole. I've personally called right wing AND left wing, it's all a matter of perspective. I may hold right-leaning opinions on some matters, and left on others. Most people I know I know are not 100% right-wing or left-wing.
...personally I, and many others, don't need a Dobson tellig me what is/is not appropriate for myself or my kids to watch/listen to, etc.
No, I think I have an idea of how "tolerant" and "liberal" they are. I've pretty much taken the reverse path that you have and I suspect that I could easily have a civil and interesting/enlightening discussion with you.As do I, my in-laws for example, but I assure you many do not either. I have incredibly heated debates with them, my father-in-law with his "Promise Keepers" (which I sometimes think is a major scam specifically designed to sell t-shirts) and his Dobson/Focus on the family stuff, but many of my fellow members of Saddleback and even within my old congregation of the Catholic and Episcopal Churches (Yes, it was a long and interesting journey before I found what I consider my spiritual home) I've attended are considerably more "tolerant" and liberal than you might think.
pub crawler said:
No, I think I have an idea of how "tolerant" and "liberal" they are. I've pretty much taken the reverse path that you have and I suspect that I could easily have a civil and interesting/enlightening discussion with you.
neutral said:
I also find the thread title offensive, "sarcastic" or not.
indra said:Got ya'll you read it though, didn't it?
BonoVoxSupastar said:
But so would "the Pope is gay"
I'm all for titles that make the person read the thread, but it should do something with the subject at hand.
indra said:
When I read the inital post in the thread I had the impression that what the author (of the thread) was pointing out with the title is that here is a congregation who's big issue isn't gay marriage, but trying to eradicate poverty. So the is title provocative, but I didn't think entirely off topic either.