RademR said:
So you're saying it did absolutely nothing for Tim Duncan to come back for his senior year? Graduating? one more of year of college ball?
All I said was "it didn't hurt Tim Duncan", I'm not trying to compare the two. I think your reading too much into my post.
Secondly, are you seriously comparing Othella Harrington to Sean May? As a Hoyas fan, Harrington was Allen Iverson's bitch on the Hoyas. Shit, I'd take Jerome Williams over him in their senior years. He was a 50% free throw shooter and could never shoot outside the paint.
Sean May was almost a gauranteed double double every game this year and the biggest star on a team of All-Americans.
He'll never be a Tim Duncan, but he has a chance to be a good player in the league. I love Othella but I'm surprised he's still in the league.
i'm not saying staying in college did nothing for tim duncan... i'm simply saying that he did not need to stay. he would have been the #1 pick if he had left after his freshman year. staying just polished off his game... it wa not a neccesity.
if you don't like the othella comparison, perhaps the comparison fran fraschilla made on espn radio this morning is more to your liking... corliss williamson. although frankly i think corliss was a better college player then may, i do see the comparison. a game made for college, but will only see limited success in the pro's. thus was my othella comparison... othella was an undersized center in college, but he could get away with it. in the nba he had to play the 4. he was good enough to have a productive nba career, but that's it. nothing more. it's what i see with may. a solid, semi-productive career. he'll never be the focus of an nba team. he'll always be a complimentary player. there's nothing wrong with that... it's just the way it is.
Originally posted by Got Philk? For the first time with what you've written tonight, I disagree. May is better than Othella. He's better than Lonny Baxter was too. I've heard that comparison. This reminds me of another player to come out of the State of North Carolina. None other than Duke's own Carlos Boozer. Again, a 2nd round draft pick...
But now the clincher. Boozer stayed 4 years.
And don't be hating on Othella. It's players like him that help teams win games! Seems to me lots of teams could use a hard working big man to help bring some energy off the bench. Or even just a player who plays with some self pride instead of a hefty contract.
May I also remind you of players who left b/c of the Tournament? McDyess(2nd round pick), Stro Swift ring a bell? And they didn't even win the Championship!
McCants is Joe Forte
--i was never hating on othella harrington. some in here assumed that comparing sean may to othella was an insult. it was simply fact... undersized, overweight, non-athletic center who will be forced to play the 4 in the nba. their bodies are very similar, and frankly so is their game.
--lonnie baxter sucks. anyone who compares sean may to baxter is an idiot.
--carlos boozer is not from the state of north carolina... he's from alaska
. the difference between may and boozer is that carlos is an impressive physical being. he's chizzled, he's ripped, he's athletic as hell. sean may, although he's lost a ton of weight since his freshman year, is still out of shape. he tires easily, and i see him struggling against bigger, more athletic players.
there are no good big men in college anymore... any player over 6'9" who has talent and is athletic goes straight to the nba. we've yet to see sean may compete against players of the caliber that he'll see in the nba. that said, he's a good kid... he comes from a good family, he's a hard working guy. he'll last in the nba because of all of that... he just will never be of an all-star caliber, imo. and there's nothing wrong with that.
--antonio mcdyess was drafted 2nd overall... and before his knee injuries he was an absolute beast. he was not a second round pick.
--stromile swift was taken 2nd overall as well... in what was probably the worst first round in nba history. take a look....
2000 NBA First Round...
1. Kenyon Martin, Cincinnati New Jersey
2. Stromile Swift, LSU Vancouver
3. Darius Miles, East St. Louis HS (Mo.) L.A. Clippers
4. Marcus Fizer, Iowa State Chicago
5. Mike Miller, Florida Orlando
6. DerMarr Johnson, Cincinnati Atlanta
7. Chris Mihm, Texas Chicago (1)
8. Jamal Crawford, Michigan Cleveland (1)
9. Joel Przybilla, Minnesota Houston (2)
10. Keyon Dooling, Missouri Orlando (3)
11. Jerome Moiso, UCLA Boston
12. Etan Thomas, Syracuse Dallas
13. Courtney Alexander, Fresno State Orlando (4)
14. Mateen Cleaves, Michigan State Detroit
15. Jason Collier, Georgia Tech Milwaukee (2)
16. Hidayet Turkoglu, Turkey Sacramento
17. Desmond Mason, Oklahoma State Seattle
18. Quentin Richardson, DePaul L.A. Clippers
19. Jamaal Magloire, Kentucky Charlotte
20. Speedy Claxton, Hofstra Philadelphia
21. Morris Peterson, Michigan State Toronto
22. Donnell Harvey, Florida New York (5)
23. DeShawn Stevenson, Washington Union HS (Calif.) Utah
24. Dalibor Bagaric, Croatia Chicago
25. Iakovos Tsakalidis, Greece Phoenix
26. Mamadou N'diaye, Auburn Denver
27. Primoz Brezec, Slovenia Indiana
28. Erick Barkley, St. John's Portland
29. Mark Madsen, Stanford L.A. Lakers
of those 29 guys... k-mart, jamal crawford, turkoglu, jamal magloire and speedy claxton have had succesful nba careers... only speedy and mark madsen on that list have won championships. so you can't really bring up anything from that draft. after all, chris mihm was picked 7th.
and the person who said that victor paige was the biggest idiot...
he left after his sophomore year because he thought he was just as good as iverson. couldn't return to college because he signed an agent, and then proceeded to not even get drafted in the 2nd round... he's never set foot on an nba court.