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Fish.
Then I'd probably go with the salmon. Now in your truly bizarre hypothetical would the Dick be sitting at my table?
Fish.
Just never mind, it's not worth it. Someone said he's the most hated person on FYM, I find that incredible. That was it. It then went from there, as it tends to do in this forum. I really have nothing else to say on the topic, I've agreed with everything that's been said, wasn't looking for an argument.
Because I realized I was being hyperbolic, but it didn't appear to have much to do with your post.
So it is abundantly clear to everyone: Dick Chaney is a horrible, horrible man. One of the worst things to happen to this country's government and to political relationships the world over.
Then I'd probably go with the salmon. Now in your truly bizarre hypothetical would the Dick be sitting at my table?
Well, if the two of you are on a date I guess he would be! But no, he is at a table across the room sitting with his wife and daughter. What does your "anger" make you do in this situation?
I reserve my anger for Donald Rumsfeld. A four year old child could have executed the invasion with a better result. His bumbling incompetence and lack of any real knowledge of warfare cost American and Iraqi lives and doomed any (slim) chance of a successful Iraq. If we went in full force (and fully equipped), we would have stood a much better chance locking the country down and preventing the power and security vacuum that led to eight years of sectarian violence. We didn't even have half as many troops that were really needed, and the sad fact is that the generals knew that, but their requests for more fell on deaf ears with Rumsfeld. And what pisses me off just as much is that even when shit began to fall apart, instead of listening to military commanders, recognizing the problem, and adapting to it, we (and by we I mean Rumsfeld) just let Iraq continue to go to hell until it was an inch away from complete anarchy before deciding to change strategy.
And of course statements like, "You go to war with the army you have... not the army you wish you had..." *End veteran rant*
My "anger" doesn't make me do anything. Unlike your hypothetical, most of us are reasonable in here.
Yeah. Seriously, what the fuck.
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Interesting thought experiment: what would have happened in 2011 onward if the US had never invaded Iraq?
My instinct is to say that the Arab Spring would have occurred in Iraq similarly to how it occurred in Syria. There would have been mass semi-pro-democracy protests against Saddam, the secular-ish Arab nationalist dictator, they probably would have struggled and eventually led to violence, and radical groups like ISIS would have filled power vacuums just like in Syria.
Another scenario: what if the Obama Administration had kept a substantial presence on the ground in Iraq? ISIS certainly would have had a much harder time. But it's a fairly undesirable proposition to keep US troops on the ground in the Middle East forever to hold off radical Islamic groups, and it would probably breed more radical-fueling anti-colonial hatred of the US in the process.
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the most hated man in FYM?
what 10 posters in here think is not that relevant to me.
Cheney is a despicable scumbag,
immoral, amoral seems an understatement. He is lower than Osama bin Laden.
You know, "Buk", I'm surprised you haven't mentioned your favorite resolution yet.
You must be pretty addicted to keep coming back to a place that keeps kicking you out.
I was just responding to all the anger posted and allegations that Cheney was worse than Bin Ladin and should be in prison.
In the first scenario, Saddam would have slaughtered the protestors. He murdered 300,000 Shia Arabs in the two months have the 1991 Gulf War when they violently revolted against the regime. He makes Assad in Syria look like a schoolgirl.
In the second scenario, the Iraqi military would have effectively responded and put down the insurgent groups as they came into the open to try and take cities and towns. Backed up by US airpower and US special forces, ISIS would not have stood a chance, and likely would not have made it across the border in such numbers.
deep said:was this necessary??
a little back and forth in here is not to be tolerated?
can we be allowed to discuss opinions and present arguments on their own merits ?
The argument that the U.S. got rid of Saddam Hussein, the evil dictator, is no longer viable. As atrocious as he was, he kept the country from slipping into the hands of terror groups, ala Afghanistan. And THAT, is exactly what the U.S. (and all western countries) should fear happening to Iraq, which is why the U.S. will never be able to wash it's hands at the situation, never be able to sleep easy that Iraq is a free "democracy", never be able to close the Pandora's Box that Bush/Cheney opened.
So sad for the Iraqi people, that they will never know a peaceful day in their lives.
At least it's not Gallipoli! Or Stalingrad! Or Hiroshima!
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was this necessary??
a little back and forth in here is not to be tolerated?
can we be allowed to discuss opinions and present arguments on their own merits ?