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Did any of you lonely, film-loving motherfuckers see Australia yet?
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Aw, DAMN! Sorry, guys. I thought I was in the TV thread. I don't even think I'd been drinking at the time.
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Are you planning on changing your username to "The Drover"?
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Australia = sucks ass
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Have any of you guys seen Freejack? I picked that up for my mom today, she loves that shit.
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That's weird, because Lance's Mom is a big fan of Pre-jac. Same money, less time.
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lazarus
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It's been a while.
You could at least have given me the
though.
You could at least have given me the
though.
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I'll save that for when you drop something as hilarious as the "ass-to-ass" stuff again.
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It's amazing how much better Manhunter is compared to Red Dragon, even if the latter arguably has a stronger cast on paper.
Can't top Willie P. and Tommy Noonan.
Can't top Willie P. and Tommy Noonan.
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I don't know. Edward Norton doesn't seem like a better choice for Graham on paper either. Mostly you're right, though. Fiennes was hammier than Noonan and more interesting to watch, but Noonan just creeped me out more. Emily Watson was probably better than her counterpart, and of course I will profess the superiority of Cox to Hopkins until my dying day.
Plus, you know. Dennis FUCKING Farina.
Plus, you know. Dennis FUCKING Farina.
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As a straight up 2-fer, I'd take Peterson/Noonan, but as a whole cast (Norton, Hoffman, Keitel, Fiennes, Hopkins, Watson, etc...) purely based on name recognition, then there you go.
Cox absolutely slaughters Hopkins as Hannibal in this one, no doubt. The amount of ham Hopkins lays out in this one and Hannibal is ridiculous; I've seen '90s Pacino have more subtlety than that. Then you've got the Mann/Ratner comparison, which is laughable at best.
I don't know how close to the original novel either of them are, but I can tell you that Manhunter was way more exciting on an emotional and technical level than Red Dragon in its finest moments. Ones how you make a crime thriller, the other is how your kid brother tries to make one, too. RD's watchable once, I guess, but all I want to do is see Thief and Collateral.
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Had Lambs been his only Lecter role, then people would still be jerking themselves silly over it. The over the top Hannibal (specifically the brain scene) pretty much soured it to much of the public. The Red Dragon Hopkins was auto pilot.
In terms of the films, Manhunter owns it, but I like Red Dragon very much.
I thought it a bit of a sacrilege to go back to the well and 're-record' over the tape.
Yes, I am well aware of the original continuity issues between Manhunter and Lambs but I was fine with it. Great film followed by great film, fuck it, it's such a rarity in 'franchises'.
Peterson>>>>>>>>>>>Norton's Will Graham, although I have to say, I like Ed in RD.
Noonan's Dollarhyde>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fiennes' version but I liked him as well.
Iron Butterfly FTW.
What I didn't like?
There is pretty much nothing about Manhunter I don't like.
This is one of my fanboy films.
Red Dragon, I like FWIW, I like Farina and Glenn over Keitel 365 days a year.
Keitel=one of my least favorites.
In terms of sticking to the novels, it's a difficult task in the first place.
Hannibal strayed pretty far from the novel (in the end) because it had to. It would have maybe been even worse for the general audience (speaking as a pretty big Harris fan). I tend to agree with my wife, Jodie, for skipping that one. I do love elements of that movie. It went south when Lecter got to America.
Manhunter is a beast though. William Peterson, Doohan, Joan Allen was good (so was Watson btw) Michael Mann rocking out with his cock out. That said, it's probably the least loyal to the novel. Many of the difference are highlighted in Red Dragon, which might be the most strict.
In terms of the films, Manhunter owns it, but I like Red Dragon very much.
I thought it a bit of a sacrilege to go back to the well and 're-record' over the tape.
Yes, I am well aware of the original continuity issues between Manhunter and Lambs but I was fine with it. Great film followed by great film, fuck it, it's such a rarity in 'franchises'.
Peterson>>>>>>>>>>>Norton's Will Graham, although I have to say, I like Ed in RD.
Noonan's Dollarhyde>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fiennes' version but I liked him as well.
Iron Butterfly FTW.
What I didn't like?
There is pretty much nothing about Manhunter I don't like.
This is one of my fanboy films.
Red Dragon, I like FWIW, I like Farina and Glenn over Keitel 365 days a year.
Keitel=one of my least favorites.
In terms of sticking to the novels, it's a difficult task in the first place.
Hannibal strayed pretty far from the novel (in the end) because it had to. It would have maybe been even worse for the general audience (speaking as a pretty big Harris fan). I tend to agree with my wife, Jodie, for skipping that one. I do love elements of that movie. It went south when Lecter got to America.
Manhunter is a beast though. William Peterson, Doohan, Joan Allen was good (so was Watson btw) Michael Mann rocking out with his cock out. That said, it's probably the least loyal to the novel. Many of the difference are highlighted in Red Dragon, which might be the most strict.
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Well said, U2DMF.
I also wanted to clarify that I don't just think Cox is better than Hopkins in Red Dragon, I think Cox is better than Hopkins, period. Including Silence, which I think is hammy, mannered bullshit. Cox was much more believable as a "real" person and therefore much more scary, as opposed to looking like you're doing a screen test for a Kubrick film.
I also wanted to clarify that I don't just think Cox is better than Hopkins in Red Dragon, I think Cox is better than Hopkins, period. Including Silence, which I think is hammy, mannered bullshit. Cox was much more believable as a "real" person and therefore much more scary, as opposed to looking like you're doing a screen test for a Kubrick film.
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Lazarus prefers the Cox. Who knew?
That's cool, I am pretty huge Mann fan.
You see, I am regular Bob fucking Saget tonight.
Somebody has to play NSW while he's out.
Actually, that's about the biggest ballbuster I could throw at NSW and he isn't even here to read it. I am cry.
Laz, what do you think of Keitel in general?
I know you worship at the church of Scorseeeze but I wonder if you think this guy has the chops to justify his castings or not. Something about his dialect? or his vocal delivery? I can't get past it. He's the same in every role (well, Bad Lieutenant maybe aside). And he made me look at his ass in The Piano.
That's cool, I am pretty huge Mann fan.
You see, I am regular Bob fucking Saget tonight.
Somebody has to play NSW while he's out.
Actually, that's about the biggest ballbuster I could throw at NSW and he isn't even here to read it. I am cry.
Laz, what do you think of Keitel in general?
I know you worship at the church of Scorseeeze but I wonder if you think this guy has the chops to justify his castings or not. Something about his dialect? or his vocal delivery? I can't get past it. He's the same in every role (well, Bad Lieutenant maybe aside). And he made me look at his ass in The Piano.
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Well yeah, but Harvey in Bad Lieutenant like owns everything.
Should have won an Oscar for that shit. There is NO other name actor who would have taken that role.
Should have won an Oscar for that shit. There is NO other name actor who would have taken that role.
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Button sounds damn good.
I didn't read the whole thing because his articles always get too spoilery.
Did I just see that a new Apes movie in the works?
Lazarus, you must opine.
HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO A NEW PLANET OF THE APES?
A remake of part 4 (Conquest)?
So it's basically a prequel to the original?
I would mention something about Hollywood's reguritation cycle but reading about Benjamin Button really puts me at ease a bit. David Fincher is a hoss.
I didn't read the whole thing because his articles always get too spoilery.
Did I just see that a new Apes movie in the works?
Lazarus, you must opine.
HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO A NEW PLANET OF THE APES?
A remake of part 4 (Conquest)?
So it's basically a prequel to the original?
I would mention something about Hollywood's reguritation cycle but reading about Benjamin Button really puts me at ease a bit. David Fincher is a hoss.
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Random Thought By Lance:
Soderbergh for 007.
Thoughts?
Soderbergh for 007.
Thoughts?
LMP
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It will be inferior unless Montalban's somehow involved.
I'd be down with that as long as it's not too playful, you know? A happy medium between Casino and the style of the Connery films would be cool, if that's possible.
Danny Boyle would be fantastic, too.
powerhour24
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That's probably true, he is a pretty incredible director, and for me his first three big films were excellent on more than one level, but it's been a fast falling slope since then, I liked The Village as a drama, and even had fun with Lady in the Water, but The Happening was the kind of movie all the haters seemed to see in his last four, it seemed like it was written and directed by someone completely different, and all the actors phoned it in. Scariest part of the movie was a creepy portrait on the crazy lady's wall. He needs to work on other material, not a trilogy of Airbender movies sheesh.
powerhour24
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Hmmm. Depends, Soderbergh is never the same twice, you'd have no idea what kind of style you'd be getting, could be awesome though since I doubt he'll go Bubble experimental on it.
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I was just thinking, he's a director that can maintain the dramatic narrative threads and tone of the new era Bond, while infusing some of the more familiar style into the proceedings (I love what he did with Ocean's 13 for example, though the story in that one is pretty weak), maybe even fold in some of the 60's retro vibe from the Terrence Mann era films into the contemporary setting and narrative of the Craig continuity.
powerhour24
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Also, should have come on here last week but Slumdog Millionaire is by far my favorite movie of the year and its awesome to see Danny Boyle finally get some credit (how about him as a bizarre 007 director??) and all the cynical haters that crap on anything that's the least bit positive and uplifting can shove it, it's a wonderful fantasy.
Excited for Benjamin Button and the Wrestler and the prospects of David Fincher and Darren Aronofsky also finally getting some recognition, although BB looks like it has nothing to do with the plot of the story beyond the concept of someone aging backward, but the style and fact that Fincher has put his stamp on making it more about mortality than an epic romance are all positive factors for me.
Excited for Benjamin Button and the Wrestler and the prospects of David Fincher and Darren Aronofsky also finally getting some recognition, although BB looks like it has nothing to do with the plot of the story beyond the concept of someone aging backward, but the style and fact that Fincher has put his stamp on making it more about mortality than an epic romance are all positive factors for me.
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Nothing could be worse than Burton's remake. One of the worst films I've ever seen from a "major" director (along with The Lost World).
I'm assuming you mean Terence Young. Though maybe you want a little Michael Mann thrown in there for good measure.
Also, hopefully Soderbergh has better things to do than waste his time on that franchise. It would never be better than Ocean's 12, anyway.
powerhour24
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Huh, didn't notice someone else also mentioned Danny Boyle in relation to 007 on this page, good thinking LemonMacPhisto.
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The Village is pure shit and Lady in the Water was laughable at best. I hoped the guy would have a long and prosperous career, but at this point, you can make a strong argument that he's fading pretty fast.
The Happening could be one of the worst films I've seen from a notable director, to go with Laz' Planet of the Apes and Lost World mentions. He's trying to go full Hitchcock (really reminiscent of The Birds, I thought; a film I don't think too highly of.) and instead, he goes full retard.
Before he makes another movie, Shamalamadingdong needs to get his head out of his ass, actually assess his career, and stick to strictly directing and maybe producing. He's consistently gotten worse as a screenwriter and has been delving in the same creative rut for the past 8 years. It's sad, truly is.
Hell, I don't mind if a great director makes the same types of films over and over again, (ie: Wes Anderson and Scorsese's crime dramas) as long as that shit's entertaining, you know?
Coincidentally Apes and The Happening both involve poor 'ol Marky Mark.
The Lost World is painfully bad, but I'd stick War of the Worlds right there with it.
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Lancemc
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Terrence Young... that's the guy. Terrence Mann was James Earl Jones' character in Field of Dreams.
It's not exactly as though he is doing considerably more interesting things all the time though... More Ocean's movies? A musical rock opera Cleopatra? Ehh.. I enjoy James Bond more than I do Steven Soderbergh movies in general. I think the two would be a good fit though.
It's not exactly as though he is doing considerably more interesting things all the time though... More Ocean's movies? A musical rock opera Cleopatra? Ehh.. I enjoy James Bond more than I do Steven Soderbergh movies in general. I think the two would be a good fit though.
powerhour24
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He's bold enough to try new things all the time even if it doesn't always work, the change of pace is usually interesting.
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