melon said:
Okay...maybe someone else can answer my question then. What makes Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry "nutty"? Oh yes...they're evil "liberals," but what does that mean? Does anyone know what that even means?
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Okay...maybe someone else can answer my question then. What makes Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry "nutty"? Oh yes...they're evil "liberals," but what does that mean? Does anyone know what that even means?
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DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE LINK.Do Miss America said:
You always show diagrams from this site yet they don't exactly back up your claims. I don't see "hard-core liberal" from that diagram. He's at 50 in a scale that goes to 100.
Did you even BOTHER to click on the link? I didn't think so. You may want to assure yourself next time.
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He certainly isn't a "moderate." He's as liberal as Alan Keyes is conservative. Not to mention, my LEAST favorite senator. Period.Irvine511 said:
he is left of the center, about a 70 on that chart.
and that's what you and the site say, i dont' think that's a national consensus. also, our definitions of "left wing" in the US tend to be skewed much further to the right than in the rest of the west. finally, he is still nowhere near as left as the "nuts" described in the article are to the right.
it's another false dichotomy, like saying CNN is as liberal as Fox News is as conservative.
(and CNN is not liberal)
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melon said:
the word is dead, divorced eintirely from meaning, and used as a slur by some conservatives that has a kind of Hanoi Jane connotation.
it's also a euphamism for "gay." like "activist judges." and "culture of life."
i wish the GOP could just say that they are fueled by homophobia today like Nixon was fueled by racism in 1968.
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Kerry and Clinton can be considered moderates I suppose. But Ted Kennedy? No way in hell.melon said:
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Macfistowannabe said:
no. way.
Ted Kennedy would never throw his daughter out of the house for being ... i don't know, a born-again evangelical christian.
alan keyes tossed his ivy leage daughter out of the house for being a lesbian.
Macfistowannabe said:
Forget "liberal." Forget "moderate." Forget all these meaningless labels.
Name specific things that Kerry, Clinton, and/or Kennedy have done to warrant being called "nutty."
Do I have any takers?
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I didn't suggest the term "nutty", so I'll leave that up to 80sU2isBest.
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Macfistowannabe said:
Yes clicked on it and my response was about how inaccurate and biased the website is.
Who's assured?
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And that's jacked up as all hell, referring to Alan Keyes.Irvine511 said:
http://www.issues2000.org/Alan_Keyes.htm
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Ted_Kennedy.htm
(On a different computer, the mouse won't let me right click/attach images)
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BS. How is it biased? Did a right-wing think tank make it up?Do Miss America said:
Yes clicked on it and my response was about how inaccurate and biased the website is.
Who's assured?
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Macfistowannabe said:
No just their descriptions and explanations of bills is very obvious. But just look at their labels.
Kennedy and Tom Delay are almost exactly on the same place in the grid except on opposite sides.
Tom gets "libertarian-leaning conservative" whereas Kennendy gets "hardcore liberal". Labels say a lot! Come on.
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Exactly the same if you're talking another country. Kennedy is one of the most liberal senators today, and his whole "Iraq = Vietnam" concept is so unfounded you want to drop a trash can on his head.Do Miss America said:
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Macfistowannabe said:
And that just shows your bias and not the true political spectrum.
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melon said:
Well one of the main "nutty" things about Hilary is her idea that "it takes a village to raise a child". If she simply meant that many people will have an influence on children, that would be OK. But I don't think that's what she's saying; I think she's saying that everyone in a society has a hand in raising our children; ie: imparting moral values, etc. And that's nutty to me. If I had children, I'd want no one raising my child in that way but me. That's just one thing about Hilary. I actually think she's more evil than simply "nutty".
I believe Ted Kennedy is a raving lunatic who often makes absurd accusations, such as accusing DeLay of calling for violence against the Schiavo judges. Kennedy likes to twist things in order to stir up his constituency's anger.
I believe John Kerry is a communist sympathizer who, during the Vietnam War, visited with leaders of the commuinist Vietnamese leadership party against the wishes of his own government and while there kowtowed to their wishes and portrayed the American soldiers as barbaric miscreants. He publically proclaimed that attrocities in Vietnam by American Soldiers were much much more common than they actually were. I believe that his actions were used by the North Vietnamese to fuel their hatred of, mistreatment of, and even execution of American POW.
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http://www.issues2000.org/Bill_Clinton.htm - moderate populist
http://www.issues2000.org/Al_Gore.htm - moderate populist
http://www.issues2000.org/John_Kerry.htm - Libertarian-Leaning Liberal
http://www.issues2000.org/Al_Gore.htm - moderate populist
http://www.issues2000.org/John_Kerry.htm - Libertarian-Leaning Liberal
I can explain why I hate Tom DeLay. The man is a walking nut, and his insanity speaks for itself. All his comments about getting revenge on the judiciary for not ruling the way he wanted re: Terri Shiavo is just the icing on the cake.
But no one has really adequately described why they hate Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and John Kerry. And I'm waiting.
(Note: posted before I read 80U2isBest's latest reply.)
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But no one has really adequately described why they hate Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and John Kerry. And I'm waiting.
(Note: posted before I read 80U2isBest's latest reply.)
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Yeah, explain how Iraq = Vietnam. Way to defend a pathological liar.Do Miss America said:
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melon said:
Back up a few posts and you'll see why I consider them "nuts". I never said I "hate" them.
(note: posted before I read Melon's "note".
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I suppose your idea of the "true political spectrum" includes places like Communist China?Do Miss America said:
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Macfistowannabe said:
WTF?
Who's defending a "pathological liar"?
And many have noted the similarities between Iraq and Vietnam, many liberals and libertarians alike.
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Macfistowannabe said:
I'm talking about the United States political system.
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There are minimal similarities between Iraq and Vietnam, there is much more in common with conflicts like the Malayan crisis or any number of other counter-insurgency campaigns.Do Miss America said:
WTF?
Who's defending a "pathological liar"?
And many have noted the similarities between Iraq and Vietnam, many liberals and libertarians alike.
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Yeah - Vietnam we got our asses handed to us.Do Miss America said:
WTF?
Who's defending a "pathological liar"?
And many have noted the similarities between Iraq and Vietnam, many liberals and libertarians alike.
Iraq - we buried Saddam's dictatorship into the pits of hell within months.
I see the logic.
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Allow me to repeat myself:Do Miss America said:
I'm talking about the United States political system.
http://www.issues2000.org/Bill_Clinton.htm - moderate populist
http://www.issues2000.org/Al_Gore.htm - moderate populist
http://www.issues2000.org/John_Kerry.htm - Libertarian-Leaning Liberal
These are fair assessments, are they not?
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Macfistowannabe said:Yeah - Vietnam we got our asses handed to us.
Iraq - we buried Saddam's dictatorship into the pits of hell within months.
I see the logic.
It's more about the political and the long term rather than who won or not. Anyways this is getting off topic.
All I ask is look at your own party before you start mouthing off about nuts and what not.
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Oh I do. Rudy Giuliani, Alan Keyes, Ann Coulter, and Mitt Romney are free to leave the republican party by all means.Do Miss America said:
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Macfistowannabe said:
Repeat yourself until you're blue. I could get into specifics, but it's not for this thread.
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80sU2isBest said:
i think i know who's the nutty one here, and it isn't Hillary, Ted, or John ...
(Hillary's completely right, though, and that's an old African saying ... i don't know who i'd be today if not for my parents, my teachers, my friend's parents, my swim coaches, my brother's friends parents, my grandparents, my neighbors, etc. i think the most insane parents are those who think they can do it all on their own and think that they know best for their child ... maybe, but trust me, the smart parents read books, take classes, and seek help when needed, and i say this having extensive experience teaching and coaching; kids do best with a variety of influences and feelings of community connectedness)
(DeLay said that judges will have to "one day answer" for their rulings, and this was echoed by Sen. Cronyn from Texas saying that he totally understood recent courtroom violence because, gosh, these activist judges are out of control; both are examples of hugely irresponsible behavior and language coming from elected politicians and both should have to retract their statements and issue apologies and be held accountable should some Schiavo nut bump off a judge in the future)
(Kerry is a 100% legit vietnam war hero who saw the folly of the US government and did the right thing -- to come back hom and do what he could to get our troops out of there ... communist sympathizer? please, please -- point to a shred of evidence to support such a piece of nonsense rather than this fact-free "i believe" refrain.)
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Irvine511 said:
Irvine, for someone who preaches tolerance, you are one of the least tolerant people in these forums. And you're rude, also. Have I ever made any personal insults against you?
Irvine511 said:
As I stated in my own post, Irvine. "Influence" is one thing, but what Hilary suggests goes beyond "influence".
Irvine511 said:
And this translates into a call for violence HOW? You are making the same logical stretch Ted made. Has it ever occurred to you that he was talking about divine justice?
Irvine511 said:
It's not just what I believe. These are credible accusations. Watch the movie "Stolen Honor" sometime.
http://www.stolenhonor.com/
