nbcrusader said:When people complain about their wages, they should consider that when you add workers to the market (especially those willing to work for less money), the average wage will go down.
nbcrusader said:Send jobs overseas or allow cheaper labor to enter the country - either way it is bad news for the existing wage base.
melon said:No, Americans won't work for peanuts, but they will work most jobs at workable wages. And if the illegals weren't there, business would be forced to increase their wages to find an American willing to do it. That is, after all, the other side of capitalism that few want to talk about.
4U2Play said:It's amazing to me how blind our elected politicians have been with this issue over the past 15 years.
The total disregard to overpopulation, environmental degradation and the destruction of the American working class wage scale due to uncontrolled mass immigration is breathtaking in its hubris.
4U2Play said:It's amazing to me how blind our elected politicians have been with this issue over the past 15 years.
The total disregard to overpopulation, environmental degradation and the destruction of the American working class wage scale due to uncontrolled mass immigration is breathtaking in its hubris.
Allowing a foreign leader to dictate our immigration policy, which is the most lenient on Earth, is a big mistake. If something serious isn't done about it this time, I'm afraid some severe consequences will befall all of us down the road.
4U2Play said:Holy shit, a compliment!
Or are you being facetious? (no, I'm not paranoid... are you trying to trick me???)
4U2Play said:Yup.
Besides, most of these politicians employ "cheap" (probably illegal, in many cases) housekeepers and gardeners to take care of their mansions, don't they.
4U2Play said:Holy shit, a compliment!
Or are you being facetious? (no, I'm not paranoid... are you trying to trick me???)
I'm extremely opinionated and all over the map politically, which usually pisses everyone off, so I'm surprised by your comments, thank you.
INDY500 said:While the issue is new to Washington DC, it would be a mistake to call it a ploy. The problems are many, they are real, they are serious and they are 20 years in the making.
Irvine511 said:
it's sudden and immediate elevation to "political crisis" on a national level is a ploy by the Bush administration to change the channel from bad news in Iraq, abysmal approval ratings
Irvine511 said:it's sudden and immediate elevation to "political crisis" on a national level is a ploy by the Bush administration to change the channel from bad news in Iraq, abysmal approval ratings, and the growing evidence of thorough corruption throughout the Republican party all while there has been no progress made on the religious right wing fundamentalist agenda -- abortion still legal, gays still considered human -- that has so long been promised to them by the Republican party elites.
Irvine511 said:
imho, it's not that the issue is a ploy; it is very much an issue and has been for a while, yes, though it seems as if it has been, in the past, more of a border state issue than a national issue.
it's sudden and immediate elevation to "political crisis" on a national level is a ploy by the Bush administration to change the channel from bad news in Iraq, abysmal approval ratings, and the growing evidence of thorough corruption throughout the Republican party all while there has been no progress made on the religious right wing fundamentalist agenda -- abortion still legal, gays still considered human -- that has so long been promised to them by the Republican party elites.
verte76 said:I agree. Bush's political problems are the only reason he's started to talk about immigration reform.
4U2Play said:Some good points, Irvine, but how can making a language a nation's offical tongue be "racist", especially one so widely spoken as English?
Please explain that one.
Is Mexico "racist" for making Spanish its official language?
Is Canada "racist" for making English and French its official languages?
Perhaps you should start a protest against those two "racist" nations first.
Maybe you mean a different word, but since "racist" is used to label and tar everyone from Barry Bonds haters to those who wish to prevent millions of illegal aliens from flooding our country, I can see how meaningless and uselessly political that word has become.
By the way, a relatively unknown movement, called "English Plus", emerged in the 80's and seeks to counter the English Only movement, but I haven't heard much about it lately.
PS. Regarding German becoming the official language of the US, please research the "Muhlenberg Legend" -- that story is false
nbcrusader said:
Illegal immigration has been a serious issue well before Bush took office.
And it is not the type of issue that provide a successful cure to the ills of the administration.
Claiming this is a diversion from other issue is far too simplistic of an analysis.
nbcrusader said:Diversion may be a minor benefit of this issue - but it certainly is not the type of issue that is presented for diversion purposes.
I think we need to focus on the substance of this very complicated issue.
nbcrusader said:Diversion may be a minor benefit of this issue - but it certainly is not the type of issue that is presented for diversion purposes.