jesseu2
Refugee
just watch SNL do parodies off him. some of his speeches seem pointless. IMO, Bill Clinton was a better prez besides the scandal. I like a democrat's mind better than a republican's. therefore, i'm a democrat.
Well, if you prefer a president who cheats on his wife by having sexual relations with an intern half his age and then lies about it to a federal grand jury, and sells military secrets to the Chinese; if you prefer him over a president who "fumbles" his words in speeches, that's your decision. But for me, I'll take the word fumbler any day.Originally posted by jesseu2:
just watch SNL do parodies off him. some of his speeches seem pointless. IMO, Bill Clinton was a better prez besides the scandal. I like a democrat's mind better than a republican's. therefore, i'm a democrat.
Originally posted by Matthew_Page2000:
Yes, but he's a "unificator" not a divider.
Hee, hee.
MAP
Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
Well, if you prefer a president who cheats on his wife by having sexual relations with an intern half his age and then lies about it to a federal grand jury, and sells military secrets to the Chinese; if you prefer him over a president who "fumbles" his words in speeches, that's your decision. But for me, I'll take the word fumbler any day.
Originally posted by melon:
How amusing.
1) Politicians and presidents of both parties have had illicit affairs. My favorite politician of the last decade would have to be Newt Gingrich, who divorced, I believe, two of his wifes on their death beds. Regardless, politicians are all morally corrupt. If you're looking for a religious leader, I would go elsewhere.
2) "Sells military secrets to the Chinese." Care to substantiate? But lest we forget a certain president, whom shall remain nameless, who was entrenched in the Iran-Contra scandal.
3) I still don't trust G.W. He is repeating the same steps as his father:
a) Starts out as a lukewarm president.
b) Gets involved in a war that rapidly boosts popularity.
c) War begins to end, but still loses their main objective.
d) Ignores the domestic issues completely.
e) Refuses to acknowledge a recession.
And, what's worse, G.W. even shares much of the same cabinet and advisors as his father. God help us all...
Melon
Originally posted by Matthew_Page2000:
Yes, but he's a "unificator" not a divider.
Hee, hee.
MAP
Originally posted by Anthony:
From a foreign policy standpoint, President Clinton was a whole lot better then Mr.Bush, who I still despise - the man is a selfish fool who is only interested in one thing; money. Atleast Clinton never abandoned the Kyoto Protocol.
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LEMONITE: The Kyoto protocol is a piece of sh#t.. It called for everyone but CHINA???? HELLO.. yes i did just write hello.. China is one of the biggest threats to our nation.. If they're not going to be held to the same standards in emissions as we are, that just gives them an opportunity to industrialize up the #$$ and then create nukes and have us bend over as they fire them one after another...
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Anthony:Oh sure, you can accuse Clinton of being a bad president for his affair, but if you ask me, what goes on in the man's bedroom has nothing to do with the way he runs a country.
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LEMONITE:
It sets an example.. It has a huge influence on how people view him.. which in turn reflects how he runs the country.. He had no respect from any of the foreign leaders.. which in turn, he did never get all he wanted from them.. .. It truly does affect how he runs a country... Now if this were a black and white world, then that'd be a different story.. except there would be no asians...(it's funny.. think about it)
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ANTHONY:
And another thing, this whole 'tax relief' and 'tax cuts' the Republicans keep talking about is just as ridiculous as when the Conservatives in Britain talk about 'tax cuts', they mean 'tax cuts for the rich and the rest can go stuff themselves'. I knew it was too good to be true when I heard of the Republicans cutting taxes (which, I agree, is the right thing to do, but in order for it to work it has to be applied to EVERYONE, not just the rich cream of the crop).
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LEMONITE:
Everyone who paid income taxes got tax relief...
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ANTHONY: Forgive me, but your ex-president Bill Clinton represented your country far better than your current president does and looks like ever will; no one despised Clinton as much as they despise Bush, except perhaps Mr. Milosovich.
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LEMONITE:
Hahaha.. Nigga Please. explain yourself... Ya'll only liked Clinton cuz he would bend over for your countries and their leaders.. He was an idiot.. He screwed up the entire middle east.. you think it's this escalated cus of nothing?.. It's cuz he was searching.. read me.. searching for a legacy and he wanted to make peace in the middle east his legacy.. in the process he managed to stir it alll up into what we're seeing now...
Originally posted by Lemonite:
Be thankful that USA has the right leaders when we need them. Reagan during cold war.. bush in gulf war. w right now...
Originally posted by FizzingWhizzbees:
Have you ever looked at Reagan's foreign policy regarding Central America during the 1980s? A good example is Guatemala, where the government attempted to implement programs of land reform which would have affected the United Fruit Company, a US owned business. The US backed a coup in that country and it's estimated that over 150,000 people were killed in its aftermath. That's just one example though, there are numerous other examples of US foreign policy having a disastrous impact on the citizens of, for instance, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama and Haiti. Just a few things you might be interested in about America's leaders during the Cold War.
{And I'm stil waiting to find out what this mangina thingy I'm supposedly to be drunkenly flaunting is}
Originally posted by Lemonite:
I was mostly referring to the nuclear missiles that we had aimed directly down our throats by Russia..
Originally posted by Lemonite:
Jimmy carter, who would invite all to gather around a bible study group in which he would be immediatly radiated by a nuke... Or Perhaps.. A Russian Bottle of Vodka smashed over his head..
Originally posted by Matthew_Page2000:
Sheesh.
Originally posted by melon:
Regardless, politicians are all morally corrupt.
Originally posted by Lemonite:
Try finding something more enjoyable to read, some Drunk stories of FizzingWhizzbees walking down the street flaunting a Mangina
Originally posted by melon:
How amusing.
1) Politicians and presidents of both parties have had illicit affairs. My favorite politician of the last decade would have to be Newt Gingrich, who divorced, I believe, two of his wifes on their death beds. Regardless, politicians are all morally corrupt. If you're looking for a religious leader, I would go elsewhere.
2) "Sells military secrets to the Chinese." Care to substantiate? But lest we forget a certain president, whom shall remain nameless, who was entrenched in the Iran-Contra scandal.
3) I still don't trust G.W. He is repeating the same steps as his father:
a) Starts out as a lukewarm president.
b) Gets involved in a war that rapidly boosts popularity.
It is because a war was necessary.. He's not just jumpin in to get a 'high approval rating', As opposed to our last president, I highly doubt that W is sitting in bed at night getting a hardon over the fact that he has a chance to raise his popularity by just jumping into a war.. this is a necessity.. I'll make this same issue statement over those who disgustingly state that bush is only using the war for 'pushing his agenda'.. but that's another thread... A coincidence.. (spelled right?).. but Be thankful that USA has the right leaders when we need them. Reagan during cold war.. bush in gulf war. w right now...
c) War begins to end, but still loses their main objective.
Have you again, not been paying attention to bush or rumsfeld.. This war is nowhere near from ending... This is just the first phase, and dont' think for a minute that they're just gonna quit looking for omar or bin laden, they've said it will take time.. years perhaps.. Check the news a bit more often.. This war is far from over...
d) Ignores the domestic issues completely.
This is very far off.. Bush Has been trying for the past year to get his economic stimulus packages through.. to take care of this recession that clinton created by messing with what reagan and bush had implemented... He was just Shot down by the Democrats on his 'stimulus' package that would help the economy.. hence.. paying attention to the domestic issues.. Also, He's been trying to increase jobs.. by increasing investments by companies, .. Whereas teh Democrats want to give out more welfare, more unemployment.. which is not going to work, because it won't be long lasting.. Bush has been trying to Get More jobs out there, any non action is not due to Bush's 'Ignoring'.. He's been pushing for economic packages since day one, and hasn't let that up.. even in the face of this war...
e) Refuses to acknowledge a recession.
Christ.. He's been saying there was a recession from even before he was elected.. This isn't his fault, Why do you think the economy is such a big priority.. The economy is already beginning to take a turn for the better, in a year or so it shoudl be back up, but Bush has never denied that there was a recession, He was stating back last november.. over a year ago.. that the economy was turnign down, and that he had a plan to fix it.. but he's being mucked up by daschle et al who are shooting down what he wants to do to fix the the economic problem...
And, what's worse, G.W. even shares much of the same cabinet and advisors as his father. God help us all...
This is truly an ignorant statemnt.. Colin powell could be president if he wanted.. He's one of the smartest men on the planet and in his area of work, he's the best... Rumsfeld is pure genius.. Chaney.. same thing.. These guys know what they are doing.. they've been here before.. Tell me.. Do you see Madeline Albright being in Afghanistan giving the same speeches, demanding the sam ehtings.. She'd be decapitated.. i mean, she was booed in Ohio state.. Bush's advisors are some of the best in the world, and they have character, and have a genuine interest in making this country better..
Melon
Originally posted by FizzingWhizzbees:
What in the world is a Mangina? If I'm going to be flaunting something, I at least need to know what it is. That said, if you want drunken stories, you'll have to buy me a drink first ;-)
(Jokes aside, I don't mean to offend anyone. Bush certainly isn't one of my favourite politicians but I know other people have different opinions and I absolutely respect that.)
Originally posted by Lemonite:
Originally posted by Anthony:
From a foreign policy standpoint, President Clinton was a whole lot better then Mr.Bush, who I still despise - the man is a selfish fool who is only interested in one thing; money. Atleast Clinton never abandoned the Kyoto Protocol.
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LEMONITE: The Kyoto protocol is a piece of sh#t.. It called for everyone but CHINA???? HELLO.. yes i did just write hello.. China is one of the biggest threats to our nation.. If they're not going to be held to the same standards in emissions as we are, that just gives them an opportunity to industrialize up the #$$ and then create nukes and have us bend over as they fire them one after another...
It's not as much 'care for teh environment matching with nuclear missiles.... It's because China is the number one threat to us... well before terrorism.. and they still are.. And giving them a sort of advantage over us in regards to some worthless 'emissions' treaty doesn't makesense... I've got to go to a dental appointment, so I don't hav etime to elaborate.. but check up the cons against the kyoto treaty and why bush waved the middle finger to it.. You'll see what i mean.. check it out...Originally posted by Popmartijn:
??? Huh ???
What does care for the environment have to do with nuclear missiles? And is it THAT important to have the same standards as everybody? If so, why do the US have more than one party which isn't even the Communist Party? Or why is there freedom of religion in the US?
As said, confused...
Marty
Actually, Matthew Page, I have always admired Jimmy Carter's religious beliefes, and have always said "good man, but bad president" about him. All my Christian friends have thought the same thing.Originally posted by Matthew_Page2000:
Moreover, why is it Ronald Reagans spirituality and religious principles are forever being referenced by the Christian right but Jimmy Carter's deeply felt spiritual beliefs are a source of contempt?
MAP
I appreciate all the time you've backed me, and almost always agree with you, but I've gotta say something here. Jimmy Carter, while he may have been a bad president, was a good man with a real heart for God. That was a plus on his side, and that's not what made him an ineffectual president.Originally posted by Lemonite:
as opposed to having say. Jimmy carter, who would invite all to gather around a bible study group in which he would be immediatly radiated by a nuke...
Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
I appreciate all the time you've backed me, and almost always agree with you, but I've gotta say something here. Jimmy Carter, while he may have been a bad president, was a good man with a real heart for God. That was a plus on his side, and that's not what made him an ineffectual president.Originally posted by Lemonite:
as opposed to having say. Jimmy carter, who would invite all to gather around a bible study group in which he would be immediatly radiated by a nuke...