Aygo
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yeah!INDY500 said:As ZooTV chopped down the Joshua Tree, Elevation pulled down the Golden Arches and formed them into a heart.
yeah!INDY500 said:As ZooTV chopped down the Joshua Tree, Elevation pulled down the Golden Arches and formed them into a heart.
mikal said:talk bad about it all you want. the 4 Elevation Tour shows i saw were probably the best U2 shows i've ever seen.
J_NP said:Tour ranks as the easiest one to be forgotten , considering U2's last five tours , Actually a explanation why I'm a good , only good fan of it :
1- It was the tour that toured the less in all lasts , US - Canada and Europe , how are supposed the fans from other countries to love such a thing ?
J_NP said:
2- Consider Lack of the last album material - in the case : Pop , songs like Please and LNOE could have easily improved the show
J_NP said:
3- Lack of explosive sound / songs , while it's out of discussion Elevation Fly was TNT , Just compare the indoor shows dvds of vertigo and elevation ,
J_NP said:
4- Some bad guitar choices : While it was a nice return of the explorer , I feel a lot the almost complete absence of Edge's Goldtop Les Paul , which after proved all the power of it's sound in Popmart , was reduced only for End of the world , and the complete lack of Semi-acoustic guitars , a song like One for me never worked as originally without an SA guitar like in Zoo and Pop ....
J_NP said:
5- Too much short sets , Slane for example which is presented complete , only 20 songs , having an 4 songs only encore
J_NP said:
Fly while many love it and i kinda like , but I don't consider as the true version of fly ; Bullet , specially the solo doesn't sound good compared to others ; NYD doesn't sound good using effects similar to war tour sound with the custom LP .... there are many others
toscano said:
Well ,as much sa I'd have loved to see more songs from Pop, they were promoting ATYCLB after all. I guess the fact that they played Pop songs more often in the US than Europe puts to bed the grizzled old chestnut/myth of "they didn't get it", eh ?
I preferred Elevation, it had a different vibe.
Vertigo was mediocre, mediocre new songs, recycled production.
Yes, on the rare occasion they brought out Electric Co and Gloria it was awesome, but the set as a whole was weaker IMO
I'm going off of the actual shows, not the DVD. And if I were, as lame as Boston is, it's still miles better than Chicago.
Bullet and NYD are just done. Period. Fly was great during Elevation, and Streets was just HORRIBLE during Vertigo, what worse indictment of Vertigo is there ? They actually blew Streets !!!
Aygo said:
Well, I think that Elevation was great, but the setlists and the shows itself are boring in comparison to the Vertigo ones. Vertigo had more diversity of songs, several openers and closers, it had different kind of encores. Plus, it had several highlights about entertaining, such as the Human Rights video the was following Miss Sarajevo/RTSS, then the ZooTv encore that nobody expected.
Then, I think that The Fly and Elevation was better in Vertigo Tour. I didn't like much the 2001 live version of Elevation, is too weird. The 2005/6 one is more raw and only explodes in the middle in a different way. The Fly had a great arrangement too last tour, very exciting.
toscano said:
Well, Lovetown was shorter and the US /Canada/UK didn't get that one at all, and yet it's well loved. I
Well ,as much sa I'd have loved to see more songs from Pop, they were promoting ATYCLB after all.
Yes, some of the sets were a tad short, I'll give you that. About the same length as Lovetown though.
toscano said:
???? I guess we saw different shows
toscano said:
Pride and Streets sucked on Vertigo.
ozeeko said:I saw Elevation and POPMART tours. I liked POPMART more, naturally, cuz it was more on the creative and artistic side. Elevation tour was like a Greatest Hits concert. I had a great time at both shows. And they played "Bad" on the Elevation tour, which is a huge plus.
toscano said:
Well, Lovetown was shorter and the US /Canada/UK didn't get that one at all, and yet it's well loved.
J_NP said:
Add the "In my opinion "
Aygo said:
I always thought that Lovetown was the only unofficial Greatest Hits-kind-of tour they haeve ever had. Because... there were several elevation shows that only included more recent and minor hits in the setlists.
Axver said:
Poor argument though. The Joshua Tree Tour (which did hit the US, Canada, UK) was intended to start in New Zealand, but the recording sessions for the JT album ran overtime and the band ultimately had to scrap that idea and begin the tour in the US. Accordingly, the Lovetown Tour was scheduled as a replacement. It was intended to go where JT had not gone. By definition of its purpose, it wasn't meant to play the US as it had already been hit twice on the JT Tour.
J_NP said:
Guess u only saw the 1st comment , keep in mind LT was a sort of JT part II , the focus was on places u2 on JT tour WAS goin to visit , but didn't
J_NP said:
Care to elaborate ? Or better explain ...... What was the show u saw , Edge used Any big semi-acoustic guitar ? Or didn't play One with a Custom Les Paul ?
J_NP said:
And I always knew the love town as the tour of RH
After all look at the name , look at the songs played
toscano said:
in my opinion, Streets and Pride sucked big time on Vertigo. Did you like how Streets was played on Vertigo better than the red start/white lights version ?
fyi, this is all opinion, all of the time. must we always preface everything ?
david said:
You're basing the quality of Vertigo Tour Streets on the fact that they didn't use red lights to start off the song?
toscano said:
Partly, yes. That's how I've seen it played live since 1987, it's part of the song. Other things I didn't liek about it : No floods at the start of the song after the lack of the red-intro (they go together ), and the African flags in their place, and the chanting, and the segue from Pride really sucked, the worst I've seen ..... (for J_NP, that was all opinion)
toscano said:
And yet it visited places JT already visited !
toscano said:
Partly, yes. That's how I've seen it played live since 1987, it's part of the song. Other things I didn't liek about it : No floods at the start of the song after the lack of the red-intro (they go together ), and the African flags in their place, and the chanting, and the segue from Pride really sucked, the worst I've seen ..... (for J_NP, that was all opinion)
J_NP said:That's the great thing bout opinions ....... I thought myself , that the vertigo version topped the elevation one , well Boston version is one super , so it get even with it , but the others , I prefer Vertigo
Axver said:
Some people view Lovetown as an extension of the JT Tour, and while I argue strongly that it is a separate entity, its existence and purpose has to be considered in tandem with the JT Tour.
toscano said:As such, it has to stand (and wonderfully it does too) on it's own merits.
So, when we're complaining about elevation because it was "too short", you really have to apply the same standard to Lovetown.
Axver said:
I agree. Like I said, I argue against those who say it should just be considered an extension of JT.
This I completely disagree with. Lovetown was compensating for not visiting territories that were on the original itinerary.
toscano said:
But it wasn't JUST doing that to the exclusion of everything/everything place else.
If it had gone to only Australasia wuth the same set and songs, then yes, you'd be right.
Not only is Lovetown's itinerary independent of JT to a large degree, everything else about it is independent from JT also
There's a reason they called it the Lovetown tour rather than the "JT tour part 2", and played different sets on an completely different stage set up/show
Earnie Shavers said:What do you kids generally think of the City of Blinding Lights opener?