lazarus
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So at some point last year, Bono was not, in fact, ok??
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corianderstem
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Poor ol' Bono.
lazarus
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Two big takeaways from that interview:
" You probably noticed that the version of "You're the Best Thing About Me" that we released is quite different than the one we are playing live, and the final mix is like six weeks away.
So the album version is going to be different? Reading further he explains the process where they came up with the rawer version, but hopefully before they lock it down it gets something to improve it and split the difference. Maybe the fact that it's not exactly performing like gangbusters will lead them to reconsider their hasty change.
Also, god bless Andy Greene for asking the most important question:
To start wrapping up here, this year is the 20th anniversary of Pop. Are you aware of the cult that's grown around it in the U2 fan community?
The response is mostly what we've heard before, but at least he's thinking about it now. And I'm also delighted that he tried to resurrect The Playboy Mansion for the previous tour, as I'm in a small minority of fans of that song.
" You probably noticed that the version of "You're the Best Thing About Me" that we released is quite different than the one we are playing live, and the final mix is like six weeks away.
So the album version is going to be different? Reading further he explains the process where they came up with the rawer version, but hopefully before they lock it down it gets something to improve it and split the difference. Maybe the fact that it's not exactly performing like gangbusters will lead them to reconsider their hasty change.
Also, god bless Andy Greene for asking the most important question:
To start wrapping up here, this year is the 20th anniversary of Pop. Are you aware of the cult that's grown around it in the U2 fan community?
The response is mostly what we've heard before, but at least he's thinking about it now. And I'm also delighted that he tried to resurrect The Playboy Mansion for the previous tour, as I'm in a small minority of fans of that song.
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I also love The Playboy Mansion. It's probably around the middle of the album in my rating.
lazarus
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Actually, I want to dig a little deeper into his response:
Well, it's something I've only recently became aware of. I love the record and I think there are some great things on it. But at the time we released it was the one that sort of got away slightly because it was rushed. We'd committed to the tour and if we had more time I think we all feel it would have been more fully realized. We started out trying to make a dance-culture record and then realized at the end there are things we can do that no EDM producer or artist can do, so let's try and have it both ways. In that case, we probably went too far in the other direction. We probably needed to allow a bit more of the electronica to survive.
There's a bit of a contradiction here. He mentions that they could have used more time with recording the album, but then says they had already started trying to have it both ways, and that it should have stayed more electronic. Does he think the balance would have shifted back the other way towards what they started with?
The new mixes certainly don't jibe with that thought process, as they veered more towards making them stronger rock songs. So what I'm assuming (and hoping) is that years later Edge now realizes that they didn't need that treatment, but should have been more rooted in the club atmosphere that inspired them.
Let's hope that for Pop's 25th anniversary (there's no way anything is happening for the 20th during this busy year) we're gifted with a special edition that gives us those earlier versions. I say this as someone who is very happy with the official release and don't think any of it needed fixing.
Well, it's something I've only recently became aware of. I love the record and I think there are some great things on it. But at the time we released it was the one that sort of got away slightly because it was rushed. We'd committed to the tour and if we had more time I think we all feel it would have been more fully realized. We started out trying to make a dance-culture record and then realized at the end there are things we can do that no EDM producer or artist can do, so let's try and have it both ways. In that case, we probably went too far in the other direction. We probably needed to allow a bit more of the electronica to survive.
There's a bit of a contradiction here. He mentions that they could have used more time with recording the album, but then says they had already started trying to have it both ways, and that it should have stayed more electronic. Does he think the balance would have shifted back the other way towards what they started with?
The new mixes certainly don't jibe with that thought process, as they veered more towards making them stronger rock songs. So what I'm assuming (and hoping) is that years later Edge now realizes that they didn't need that treatment, but should have been more rooted in the club atmosphere that inspired them.
Let's hope that for Pop's 25th anniversary (there's no way anything is happening for the 20th during this busy year) we're gifted with a special edition that gives us those earlier versions. I say this as someone who is very happy with the official release and don't think any of it needed fixing.
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Why not follow-up with "WHY DON'T YOU PLAY ANYTHING FROM IT?"
namkcuR
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Especially since he said this:
But I think Pop is a great record. I was very proud of it by the end of the tour. We finally figured it out by the time we made the DVD. It was an amazing show that I'm really proud of.
If it was an amazing show and you're really proud of it, why don't you ever play anything from it?
Aside from this, it was interesting to hear that he thinks Drowning Man may see a live performance before it's all said and done.
Also that he didn't rule out the possibility of Streets being absent for the SOE setlist.
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It may not have been age related. Could have been Nice. I'd definitely consider that a "brush with mortality" and a "serious moment."
BoMac
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A really random thing from that interview that jumped out at me is that twice Edge referred to Ultraviolet as Light My Way.
corianderstem
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I forgot about the Nice attack. Was that in the fall? (Edit: July 2016. Obviously could have had lingering trauma if it indeed had been a closer call than made the press.)
And of course I know health scares aren't limited to aging. The "aging rocker" thing has just been on my mind lately.
And of course I know health scares aren't limited to aging. The "aging rocker" thing has just been on my mind lately.
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lazarus
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I would be ecstatic if they dropped all JT songs other than Streets for the next tour. Would free up at least 2 spots in the set list.
I cound also live with Streets getting a break, but what epic showstopper goes in its place? Bad?
Probably because they love putting parantheticals in song titles now.
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I interpreted it differently. I got it to mean that YTBTAM is already played quite different even though that final mix (he might be referring to the Sci-Fi Mix here) is only six weeks old. Or that they thought they had the final mix of the song, but it is still changing. He elaborates a bit more further on:
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Love me some Pop. Love me some Playboy Mansion. Fingers crossed for something special to celebrate 20 years.
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This thread inspired me to listen to Pop. My first take away is I wish U2 would write more songs that feel as raw (yet complex) as Wake Up Dead Man. My second take away is that the guitar solo and subsequent "sunshine fills my room" section of Velvet Dress has some absolutely gorgeous guitar work. Third, the drums, bass, and guitar in Miami are amazing. Too bad about the silly vocals.
I used to have playlists and burned CDs with the single versions of Last Night On Earth, Please, and If God Will Send His Angels. I probably ditched all those when I changed my iTunes library to lossless and I miss some of the slight changes from those versions. Pretty sure those single CDs are long gone though. Oh well.
I used to have playlists and burned CDs with the single versions of Last Night On Earth, Please, and If God Will Send His Angels. I probably ditched all those when I changed my iTunes library to lossless and I miss some of the slight changes from those versions. Pretty sure those single CDs are long gone though. Oh well.
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cobl04
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That interview, like every one over the last few years, just leaves me extremely, extremely frustrated. And this is why it's better for me to take a step back and not invest so much in this band any more, because I'm only going to get hurt.
Songs of Experience
“Releasable last year”. Bet that version of SoE is great. I cannot see in any world how tinkering with the fucking thing for another YEAR makes it better. Then he mentions FIVE different producers. For what, 11 songs? That’s ridiculous. We’ve got Lillywhite, an electro producer, a hip-hop fan producer, a top 40 producer and they all love or don’t love guitars. Sounds like a fucking mess to me. We’re going to get an extremely confused album. He also talks about these tiny changes, that only the band, who’ve been so close to the songs, could pick up on. So I think to them, the album probably sounds like this super modern mix of five different production styles, but what I’ve heard so far is a glossy sheen, and as iYup said, leaves them incapable of making something organic.
Joshua Tree
Really ticked off by his comments, they’re understandable, but what it means is that there’s no chance we’re going to hear Running to Stand Still or Exit again any time soon. And he says that now about some of the warhorses, but there’s no way in hell there will be a U2 show without at least one of Streets or WOWY.
Next tour
Here we were thinking that maybe we’d get a treat down under, maybe the SoE tour would start somewhere other than fucking North America or Europe, but again, no surprises. That means Australia won’t get a tour until at least 2019, which will be a nine-year gap, which is even longer than the gap between Popmart and Vertigo, which is a fucking joke. Also, the possibility of it being very SoI/SoE heavy had crossed my mind, and if that turns out to be the case… I haven’t heard the new album yet and will go in with an open mind but if it was going to be SoI/SoE+Streets, Vertigo, Beautiful Day, Elevation and One, then I’m staying home and saving my money.
Pop
The most infuriating part of the interview. Edge says all these wonderful things about an incredible record, all these things that made my heart soar, but the journalist just never seems to ask the right question. We want to know why they’re ignoring Pop, particularly if they’re so positive about aspects of it. The Playboy Mansion news is wicked, although it’s the second last song (excepting SATS) that I’d want to hear off the album, but Edge gets to get away from Pop and we don’t hear anything about the chances of hearing Please and Gone live, EVEN THOUGH EDGE LOVES THEM ARRRRRGGHHHHHH and then you ask about fcucking Lady with the Spinning Head!!!!!!!!!!
Drowning Man
And then it all ends on an amazing note, that we might get to hear Drowning Man love sometime soon. But it sounds like it will be a one-off performance, probably in front of some corporates, and not becoming an actual part of the tour.
tl;dr Edge, you are even more frustrating than Bono.
Songs of Experience
“Releasable last year”. Bet that version of SoE is great. I cannot see in any world how tinkering with the fucking thing for another YEAR makes it better. Then he mentions FIVE different producers. For what, 11 songs? That’s ridiculous. We’ve got Lillywhite, an electro producer, a hip-hop fan producer, a top 40 producer and they all love or don’t love guitars. Sounds like a fucking mess to me. We’re going to get an extremely confused album. He also talks about these tiny changes, that only the band, who’ve been so close to the songs, could pick up on. So I think to them, the album probably sounds like this super modern mix of five different production styles, but what I’ve heard so far is a glossy sheen, and as iYup said, leaves them incapable of making something organic.
Joshua Tree
Really ticked off by his comments, they’re understandable, but what it means is that there’s no chance we’re going to hear Running to Stand Still or Exit again any time soon. And he says that now about some of the warhorses, but there’s no way in hell there will be a U2 show without at least one of Streets or WOWY.
Next tour
Here we were thinking that maybe we’d get a treat down under, maybe the SoE tour would start somewhere other than fucking North America or Europe, but again, no surprises. That means Australia won’t get a tour until at least 2019, which will be a nine-year gap, which is even longer than the gap between Popmart and Vertigo, which is a fucking joke. Also, the possibility of it being very SoI/SoE heavy had crossed my mind, and if that turns out to be the case… I haven’t heard the new album yet and will go in with an open mind but if it was going to be SoI/SoE+Streets, Vertigo, Beautiful Day, Elevation and One, then I’m staying home and saving my money.
Pop
The most infuriating part of the interview. Edge says all these wonderful things about an incredible record, all these things that made my heart soar, but the journalist just never seems to ask the right question. We want to know why they’re ignoring Pop, particularly if they’re so positive about aspects of it. The Playboy Mansion news is wicked, although it’s the second last song (excepting SATS) that I’d want to hear off the album, but Edge gets to get away from Pop and we don’t hear anything about the chances of hearing Please and Gone live, EVEN THOUGH EDGE LOVES THEM ARRRRRGGHHHHHH and then you ask about fcucking Lady with the Spinning Head!!!!!!!!!!
Drowning Man
And then it all ends on an amazing note, that we might get to hear Drowning Man love sometime soon. But it sounds like it will be a one-off performance, probably in front of some corporates, and not becoming an actual part of the tour.
tl;dr Edge, you are even more frustrating than Bono.
lazarus
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The answer as to why they don't play anything off it is likely because of the stigma it has among their mainstream audience. It wasn't a popular album so they figure people don't know the songs as much or desire to hear them.
At least he's now aware there's some kind of demand for it.
Unfortunately Pop was released 10 years after JT so it's always going to compete on the anniversary front. As I said earlier, we can hope for something on its 25th. And it's not beyond possible that one of its songs gets resurrected on this upcoming tour now that they might have more room for it.
At least he's now aware there's some kind of demand for it.
Unfortunately Pop was released 10 years after JT so it's always going to compete on the anniversary front. As I said earlier, we can hope for something on its 25th. And it's not beyond possible that one of its songs gets resurrected on this upcoming tour now that they might have more room for it.
BoMac
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And yet they played fucking Your Blue Room several times on 360.
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Leave Edge alone - he just wants to use his market position to appeal to as many industry stakeholders as he can.
namkcuR
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They played it a whopping seven times before they dropped it because too many people were using it as a bathroom/beer break. There's a certain consistency there as far as not wanting to play things that at least half the venue won't be interested in.
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Ha ha ha haaa
namkcuR
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Just listening to War tonight for the first time in a while. It may be moving up a little in my rankings. What an energetic, passionate, fiery record. There's a reason why the common idea of U2's golden era starts with War.
You know what song feels relevant now that they'll never play? Like A Song. Some of those words really resonate in the current political climate.
Like a song I have to sing
I sing it for you.
Like the words I have to bring
I bring it for you.
And in leather, lace and chains we stake our claim.
Revolution once again
No I won't, I won't wear it on my sleeve.
I can see through this expression and you know I don't believe.
Too old to be told, exactly who are you?
Tonight, tomorrow's too late.
And we love to wear a badge, a uniform
And we love to fly a flag
But I won't let others live in hell
As we divide against each other
And we fight amongst ourselves
Too set in our ways to try to rearrange
Too right to be wrong, in this rebel song
Let the bells ring out
Let the bells ring out
Is there nothing left?
Is there, is there nothing?
Is there nothing left?
Is honesty what you want?
A generation without name, ripped and torn
Nothing to lose, nothing to gain
Nothing at all
And if you can't help yourself
Well take a look around you
When others need your time
You say it's time to go... it's your time.
Angry words won't stop the fight
Two wrongs won't make it right.
A new heart is what I need.
Oh, God make it bleed.
Is there nothing left?
You know what song feels relevant now that they'll never play? Like A Song. Some of those words really resonate in the current political climate.
Like a song I have to sing
I sing it for you.
Like the words I have to bring
I bring it for you.
And in leather, lace and chains we stake our claim.
Revolution once again
No I won't, I won't wear it on my sleeve.
I can see through this expression and you know I don't believe.
Too old to be told, exactly who are you?
Tonight, tomorrow's too late.
And we love to wear a badge, a uniform
And we love to fly a flag
But I won't let others live in hell
As we divide against each other
And we fight amongst ourselves
Too set in our ways to try to rearrange
Too right to be wrong, in this rebel song
Let the bells ring out
Let the bells ring out
Is there nothing left?
Is there, is there nothing?
Is there nothing left?
Is honesty what you want?
A generation without name, ripped and torn
Nothing to lose, nothing to gain
Nothing at all
And if you can't help yourself
Well take a look around you
When others need your time
You say it's time to go... it's your time.
Angry words won't stop the fight
Two wrongs won't make it right.
A new heart is what I need.
Oh, God make it bleed.
Is there nothing left?
cobl04
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I love that song, and would love to see it, but that's perhaps the most unlikely in their entire catalogue. Bono's essentially just yelling on it.
namkcuR
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I came back into the thread to say exactly that.
cobl04
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Mate I would rather hear nearly literally anything than that song.
Yes, soz, didn't mean to imply you were suggesting it!
Hence I said "that they'll never play".
Yes, soz, didn't mean to imply you were suggesting it!
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