Larry's not on board...and Bono knows it.

[DaveC]

i can't understand how anybody could be getting this upset over anything having to do with a band.

maybe they hate each other and they're really thisclose to beheading the other with their teeth all the time. who gives this much of a fuck?

maybe they love each other and they're imagining all the kinky shit they're going to do to the other the instant the stream ends. who gives this much of a fuck?

maybe it's somewhere in between. who gives this much of a fuck?

man i wish my life was good enough that i could afford to give this much of a fuck about something so trivial.

this thread is stupid. you guys are killing my birthday buzz.

 

[BVS]

Take your pick, which is worse ...

Holding the band to account for statements made many years ago.

or ...

Simply never believing those statements in the first place.

For a band that has been as principled as U2, I don't think it's unreasonable for their long time fans to expect the former rather than to give up and concede the latter.

Why does it have to be either/ or?

I'm just amazed by how many people live in this black and white world.

U2 are in uncharted territory for the most part. So what if they decide to take a small tour to celebrate a piece of their career? What if playing an album in full allows them to change their mindset on future setlists, what if this tour shows them some clarity to finish SOE?

Those comments for the most part were about writing and recording. They never said anything about not celebrating anniversaries.

 

[RoKKeR]

This just popped up on my YouTube feed, makes this thread even more hilarious.

 

[dan_smee]

I guess I'll just "move on with my life" and forget what I stand for. At least Axver will get a kick out of it when he's done calling me names.

Who's into historical revisionism now then? You're the one that called Axver a troll - what was it he called you?

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Did anyone think to ask Larry if he was okay?

 

[prbiker15]

Never thought I'd see this thread get to 150+ posts.

Anyways, as someone already said...if Larry wasn't on board, he would have been long gone. That's my two cents.

 

[Axver]

These stands they have taken are statements of intent to show who they are as a band...which is part of what has made them so special. Are you really saying now it's OK just to move on like they never happened? That they don't care what they stand for? I highly doubt the band has forgotten this. That's just absurd. Why else would Bono make the comment about "someone should call the cops" if this goes on for more than a summer?

Are you really suggesting that everything they have ever said about who they are as a band is now irrelevant? How do you even know if you like someone or some people if you don't even know what they're all about? You're not making any sense.



I guess so since you obviously don't care what the band does and doesn't stand for.

I guess I'll just "move on with my life" and forget what I stand for. At least Axver will get a kick out of it when he's done calling me names.

You just keep digging, it's a remarkable sight to behold.

Here's what I care about: seeing great concerts of great songs. JT30 will include more great songs, and less mediocre ones, than any U2 tour for a long time. Suits me down to the ground.

If that means they're going back on some statement in which you have invested the heart and soul of your fandom, and if it means Larry looks a bit grumpy in an inconsequential Facebook session nobody will remember by the time the tour begins, I do not give a damn.

I'm in this for good music and nothing more; your individual notion of authenticity, besides being overwrought in expression, means nothing to me.

 

[Axver]

Did anyone think to ask Larry if he was okay?

Why does Larry lie?

 

[dan_smee]

This place has been calling him Larry Sullen Jr for years.

Larry Mu$$en more like, amirite?

 

[kabigon]

SOE will be done when it's done. Nobody can claim one way or the other whether or not the upcoming tour will help the album come out any quicker, or more importantly, whether it'll make it any better.

Adam: "We all very much feel like it needs to be the end of this year. It's not on any schedule anywhere, anything like that. We're going to get back to that later this year and polish it off and finish it off a bit more. But we think we're there with it. It's not like the switch to do these Joshua Tree shows was because we needed a lot of time. It was just because it's pretty much in the bag. We can still work on it throughout this year, all the little nips and tucks that we want to do. It'll be a pleasure to get out there and play these Joshua Tree songs. In some ways, the experience of playing those Joshua Tree shows and those songs this summer, inevitably, couldn't help [but] have some impact on what that record ultimately becomes when we finish work on it."

At first the idea of a 'nostalgia' tour seemed a bit from left-field, only because U2 had never done one before. I warmed to it pretty quickly though. Only the three main singles have been played with any regularity in the last 10+ years. Bullet deservedly missed all of 360 and has been excellent since it returned on I+E. Apart from RTSS getting a go early on Vertigo, the other seven songs have barely been touched since the 80s (and RHMT never, of course).

From that same interview, Adam hasn't ruled out playing SOE songs either:

Adam: "It would be very much my wish that we could play something from Experience as part of the show, maybe one or two songs. Again, I caution that by saying we really have to see the arc of this show and we have to figure out whether those Experience songs would work well in a stadium in this context, but I'd love to see some of that material out there and people being familiar with it before the album comes out."

I'm tired of this blind pessimism. Can't wait for the tour to begin.

 

[dan_smee]

Well said

 

[Nick66]

Lights go down on redhill....

 

[mama cass]

you guys have way too much time on your hands

do something useful for fuckssakes

 

[redhill]

Why does it have to be either/ or?

I'm just amazed by how many people live in this black and white world.

U2 are in uncharted territory for the most part. So what if they decide to take a small tour to celebrate a piece of their career? What if playing an album in full allows them to change their mindset on future setlists, what if this tour shows them some clarity to finish SOE?

Those comments for the most part were about writing and recording. They never said anything about not celebrating anniversaries.

I know, it's like totally "whatever all of a sudden"!

 

[redhill]

I'm tired of this blind pessimism. Can't wait for the tour to begin.

I'm not the one being blind. My eyes are wide open.

 

[redhill]

I'm in this for good music and nothing more; your individual notion of authenticity, besides being overwrought in expression, means nothing to me.

2:02 - 2:17.

Don't worry - as Bono mentioned in this video, they welcome the people who are just in it for a good time and good music. You're OK, too. I just happen to be one of those actual fans who "got what it was all about".

This retread is counter to that so obviously I'm not going to be behind it.

 

[redhill]

i can't understand how anybody could be getting this upset over anything having to do with a band.

maybe they hate each other and they're really thisclose to beheading the other with their teeth all the time. who gives this much of a fuck?

maybe they love each other and they're imagining all the kinky shit they're going to do to the other the instant the stream ends. who gives this much of a fuck?

maybe it's somewhere in between. who gives this much of a fuck?

man i wish my life was good enough that i could afford to give this much of a fuck about something so trivial.

this thread is stupid. you guys are killing my birthday buzz.

The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.

 

[Nick66]

you guys have way too much time on your hands

do something useful for fuckssakes

Who wastes more time? The time waster or those who waste time following them. ;-)

 

[redhill]

Who's into historical revisionism now then? You're the one that called Axver a troll - what was it he called you?

Actually, you're the primary name caller in this thread but it's all in there if you want to go back and look. You can take your own time in doing that.

BTW, since you still haven't discovered those wacky newfangled things called definitions:

Trolling: making a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.

 

[redhill]

Why does it have to be either/ or?

I'm just amazed by how many people live in this black and white world.

U2 are in uncharted territory for the most part. So what if they decide to take a small tour to celebrate a piece of their career? What if playing an album in full allows them to change their mindset on future setlists, what if this tour shows them some clarity to finish SOE?

Those comments for the most part were about writing and recording. They never said anything about not celebrating anniversaries.

That's the difference. I'm not buying the current "party line" because it's a cover story. I'm wide awake, my friend.

 

[BVS]

I know, it's like totally "whatever all of a sudden"!

Very well articulated

 

[redhill]

Very well articulated

I was quoting an earlier post regarding U2's current stance and why it's *supposedly* acceptable (and being sarcastic). Once again, you do no research and present ignorantly.

Do I really have to be your and Dan Smee's new schoolteacher?

 

[mama cass]

Who wastes more time? The time waster or those who waste time following them. ;-)

i didn't bother reading the thread - just the first and last post - that was plenty

 

[BVS]

That's the difference. I'm not buying the current "party line" because it's a cover story. I'm wide awake, my friend.

Wow, you quoted my post twice, and still didn't actually get around to addressing the post.

 

[Nick66]

i didn't bother reading the thread - just the first and last post - that was plenty [emoji38]

Lol... Good strategy for most threads here I think!

 

[redhill]

Wow, you quoted my post twice, and still didn't actually get around to addressing the post.

Because the answer is already in the thread and I'm not going to retread (even though I know a few of you guys love that sort of thing).

You glorify the past when the future dries up.

 

[BVS]

I was quoting an earlier post regarding U2's current stance and why it's *supposedly* acceptable (and being sarcastic). Once again, you do no research and present ignorantly.

Do I really have to be your and Dan Smee's new schoolteacher?

That's not how this works. You quoted an earlier post? Good for you, you expect me to have read every single post in here?

When you make a statement like "u2 have stated how it will effect SOE", and then when asked to steer them towards where you saw that, you respond "do your own research", is not how adults discuss. If you make the statement, it's your responsibility to back it up. Just because Trump is now president, doesn't mean we as a society can resort to childhood debate skills.

You're not teaching anyone a thing in here except how to be a victim and self righteous.

 

[BVS]

You glorify the past when the future dries up.

Hey guys, should I post another video of a 30 year old quote?

 

[redhill]

That's not how this works. You quoted an earlier post? Good for you, you expect me to have read every single post in here?

When you make a statement like "u2 have stated how it will effect SOE", and then when asked to steer them towards where you saw that, you respond "do your own research", is not how adults discuss. If you make the statement, it's your responsibility to back it up. Just because Trump is now president, doesn't mean we as a society can resort to childhood debate skills.

You're not teaching anyone a thing in here except how to be a victim and self righteous.

I'm not being a victim. Quite the opposite - I'm dismantling some of you cyberbullies and you don't like it. You see, adults try to inform themselves before developing an opinion.

I'm not being self righteous. I'm discussing how U2 used to more righteous and principled.

If you think it's self righteous to have believed in the principles this band once stood for, then so be it.

Big difference, kiddo.

 

[redhill]

Hey guys, should I post another video of a 30 year old quote?

Some of us believed in those statements 30 years ago but I'm guessing you were wearing short pants back then.