Cosmos Thoughts III: U2 "WTF were they thinking" moments

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Please and Wake Up Dead Man alone are better lyrically than anything that's come since.

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While I respect the fact that so many U2 fans love it, Wake up dead man for me is an awful U2 song. Lyrically, I find it cringeworthy:

"Jesus, I'm waiting here boss
I know you're looking out for us
But maybe your hands aren't free
Your father, He made the world in seven
He's in charge of heaven"

He called Jesus "boss", which I personally find very odd and I'm guessing because it somewhat rhymes with "us". Then the line about God making the world in seven and being in charge of heaven seems very lazy and cringe worthy actually.


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While I feel the lyrics in Wake Up ... work, if Bono would have used them on any of the post POP albums this forum would have slaughtered him
 
I think Zooropa is their best lyrical album. Some days has a couple clunkers, and I can see people not liking Babyface and Numb's lyrics, but they're fun songs that are actually fun to listen to (with the exception of maybe Babyface). Everything else is pretty top notch. Lemon, Stay, Daddy's Gonna Pay, The FIrst Time, Dirty Day, The Wanderer...not to mention THE TITLE TRACK.
 
"The air is heavy, heavy as a truck"

I don't want to pick on you, David, so please forgive me quoting you.

I don't mind that couplet that was quoted at all. I don't even know why it's so offensive. Perhaps it's simple, but often rhyming and rhythm play a role in what words work and what words do not. But saying something is as "heavy as a truck" is hardly so offensive. And this is especially true when looking at the rest of the song, which I feel is one of Bono's best. I've especially enjoyed this powerful pairing, "You're in my mind all of the time, I know that's not enough".

As for SATS, while some of the items quoted above are indeed odd, I loved the lines preceding the "referee" couplet, "Intransigence is all around... military is still in town. Armour plated suits and ties... daddy just won't say goodbye." If using the word "glue" was tough, try using the word "intransigence" in a song - yet Bono did it beautifully. And I love the "daddy" part.

My point is that I try not to focus on one or two couplets in a song. I'd rather focus on the overall song and maybe forgive a bad rhyme.
 
I think Zooropa is their best lyrical album. Some days has a couple clunkers, and I can see people not liking Babyface and Numb's lyrics, but they're fun songs that are actually fun to listen to (with the exception of maybe Babyface). Everything else is pretty top notch. Lemon, Stay, Daddy's Gonna Pay, The FIrst Time, Dirty Day, The Wanderer...not to mention THE TITLE TRACK.


Agreed


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I have to truly question anyone who thinks Pop was Bono's best lyrical album. The album is full of clunkers.

You know you're chewing bubblegum, straw in the lemonade, blind leading the blonde, referee won't blow the whistle, Miami, and the 90s references in Playboy.


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Pop's lyrics are absolutely fascinating. What I love about them is much more than about how individual lines sound.


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Then the line about God making the world in seven and being in charge of heaven seems very lazy and cringe worthy actually.

Agreed on this. For some reason I see it as his most irritating line ever, maybe because it's bland and humorless. At least something like "Stop helping god across the street like a little old lady" can induce some laughs.
 
He's written much worse lyrics on POP alone.

Miami is my ultimate anti-U2 song.....I hate it.

"My mammy.....Miami"...I'm going to give them a pass and just assume there were drugs involved.


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Boom cha is also up there.

His weakest ? "we're a binary code, a one and a zero".
 
.My point is that I try not to focus on one or two couplets in a song. I'd rather focus on the overall song and maybe forgive a bad rhyme.


Agreed to an extent. Electrical Storm is lyrically solid and for me, while a bit odd, the truck line gets a pass because the song as a whole holds up. But some lines/moments can kill a song.

A moment of no return to me are the voice cracks in crazy tonight. Those just ruin it for me(I actually like the song a lot too).

I do agree with you in SATS, I like the song as a whole despite some odd lyrics.

On a side note, I can't believe no one has brought up "the top of a newborn baby's head" line (another example for me of being able to over look an odd line because the rest of the song is strong)


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i find "stuck together with God's glue" fascinating. he also deserves a medal for how he sings "stickier."

"Waves that leave me out of reach / breaking on your back like a beach" -- much more complicated than one might initially think.

Pop is a great album lyrically. granted, "blind/blonde" deserves a slap, and they should have known that Playboy Mansion was going to age horribly (but since it's a horrible song maybe they didn't care).

that said, Pop has so many of Bono's best individual lines:

stuck together with God's glue
white dopes on punk staring into the flash / looking for baby Jesus under the trash
the face i had before the world was made

this whole bit here:

Take the colours of my imagination
Take the scent hanging in the air
Take this tangle of a conversation
Turn it into your own prayer
With my fingers as you want them
With my nails under your hide
With my teeth at your back
And my tongue to tell the sweetest lies

Jesus' sister's eyes are a blister / the High Street never looked so low

this, too:

I bought two new suits - Miami
Pink and blue - Miami
I took a picture of you - my mammy
Getting hot in a photo booth - Miami
I said you looked like a Madonna
You said maybe
Said I want to have your baby, baby, baby
We could make something beautiful
Something that wouldn't be a problem
We could make something beautiful
Something that wouldn't be a problem
At least not in Miami

lots going on in here -- the temptation to run away and lose one's self in hedonism with a Madonna-like motherly figure (the "miami / my mammy" is probably a reference to a Freudian slip, which works really well given the blurring of sex/salvation and mother/lover, all with the hope of escape and creating a reality that wouldn't be a problem.

and that's just what i can throw together in 5 minutes.

in a nutshell, the core idea of the album is the "baby Jesus under the trash" album, where the first half or so puts the protagonist in a hedonistic world filled with temptation, but that temptation might actually be the divine calling out for him -- reminded by the nightly speech during PopMart about finding "peace in the neon" and the lines in the Flannagan book about how things that appear to be opposite (sex/salvation, plastic/soul) might be mutually implicated in the same paradox, opposite sides of the same coin.

what's also interesting is that this is flipped on it's head, especially in Please, when those who put forth so-called noble/pious/religious/nationalistic ideas are revealed to be peddling little more than trash (stick-on tattoos / sermon on the mount from the boot of your car). that where you might find salvation in the discotheque, you might also find the worst of humanity praying in church on Sunday. reminds me of when Bono was in Tokyo and points to a big neon sign written in Japanese -- "all this beautiful script, and it probably says 'pussy'." that's the flip side of "peace in the neon."

while i have issues with Pop and find it wildly overrated here, the lyrics and the big ideas it wrestles with are fascinating -- and are very much in line with what the band was talking about in 1993/4. i'm more than willing to forgive Bono's clunkers because they show that he's striving for creativity, originality, and to try to be more than smart, more than celever, and more than the rather superficial "poetry" of the UF/JT era.
 
POP's lyrics are fucking Shakespeare compared to HTDAAB and NLOTH.

Although SATS does sound like a bunch of lines that Bono had kicking around in a notebook that he just threw together after he couldn't figure out how to flesh out an idea based on them specifically.
 
POP's lyrics are fucking Shakespeare compared to HTDAAB and NLOTH.

Although SATS does sound like a bunch of lines that Bono had kicking around in a notebook that he just threw together after he couldn't figure out how to flesh out an idea based on them specifically.


I would say MOS, NLOTH, Cedars, and WAS rival a lot of Pop.


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You know what lyric I hate? "Please, please, please"

How many times are you going to say that word? We get it, you have good manners, Bono. Why don't you just go hang out with the Pope?
 
I would say MOS, NLOTH, Cedars, and WAS rival a lot of Pop.

Fair enough, there are some real floating turds on POP too, and on the flip side of the coin to be fair I will say that Bono has had some inspired moments on post-ATYCLB stuff too. But I feel like the ratio of 70:30 (good lyrics:bad lyrics) of POP basically flipped completely some time around Christmas 2001.

I will also say that I don't like Moment of Surrender in the slightest, and find the song to be very hard to listen to.
 
I really want to like Moment of Surrender. But it just tries too hard. Starts out great, but just drags on and the lyrics get weaker the longer it goes. However, I do think it would've been a great album closer. 7:25 song early really kills the vibe. NLOTH was very poorly ordered.
 
I really want to like Moment of Surrender. But it just tries too hard. Starts out great, but just drags on and the lyrics get weaker the longer it goes. However, I do think it would've been a great album closer. 7:25 song early really kills the vibe. NLOTH was very poorly ordered.

I think that is a big part of it, that song is way too long and I get extremely bored with it before it gets halfway through.
 
I really want to like Moment of Surrender. But it just tries too hard. Starts out great, but just drags on and the lyrics get weaker the longer it goes. However, I do think it would've been a great album closer. 7:25 song early really kills the vibe. NLOTH was very poorly ordered.


I like the song but only take issue with "at the ATM Machine" line

Which translates to Automatic teller machine machine....lol


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Moment of Surrender is great, but I agree that it's placing on the album is not the best. Should have been an album closer (as for show closer, it was a bit too depressing but I still liked it)
 
I really want to like Moment of Surrender. But it just tries too hard. Starts out great, but just drags on and the lyrics get weaker the longer it goes. However, I do think it would've been a great album closer. 7:25 song early really kills the vibe. NLOTH was very poorly ordered.


I'm the complete opposite, the song sounds effortlessly to me, which is why it's so refreshing. I'm glad they didn't force it into a shorter song either.


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I think on the next tour, it'd be an incredible segue into streets. Rework the ending and shorten it a little bit.
 
I'm the complete opposite, the song sounds effortlessly to me, which is why it's so refreshing.

Right. It's unique in their recent catalogue because it doesn't sound labored. And those seven-odd minutes move pretty quickly for me.
 
I really can't speak highly enough of Moment of Surrender. More of that, please.

I listened to Pop the other night and as scatterbrained as that album may be musically, the lyrics really tie up the loose ends. Unlike NLOTH, Bono really seems to be in the same headspace throughout the album despite its tumultuous recording sessions.
 
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This was the ultimate live WTF moment(really the whole show was). It's hard to watch as that first take sounds like a group of middle schoolers meeting for the first time in one of their basements trying to play this song.

I do wish that they kept working at the full band version of this song as hit could have some real bite! Oh well....what could have been.


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m.youtube.com/watch?v=8XDBkuZWPpw

This was the ultimate live WTF moment(really the whole show was). It's hard to watch as that first take sounds like a group of middle schoolers meeting for the first time in one of their basements trying to play this song.

I do wish that they kept working at the full band version of this song as hit could have some real bite! Oh well....what could have been.


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Ive never seen that before, what a shocker. Ive got the bootleg for that show but i must of skipped that track

This was a live WTF moment for me

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w7fY47wkIow

Being at glastonbury in person this song sounded awfull. The show did get better after that though

Bono's long speech before one on the vertigo tour was another moment and the Aung San Suu Kyi masks were terrible!
 
Ive never seen that before, what a shocker. Ive got the bootleg for that show but i must of skipped that track

This was a live WTF moment for me

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w7fY47wkIow

Being at glastonbury in person this song sounded awfull. The show did get better after that though

Bono's long speech before one on the vertigo tour was another moment and the Aung San Suu Kyi masks were terrible!



I thought that EBTTRT was actually pretty good. Not close to zoo tv or popmart, but it was pretty decent imo.
But yeah the one speech on vertigo was very annoying and that kinda crap made people hate bono. And those masks were pretty creepy.
 
Ebttrt was a great opener for 360 dont get me wrong but the glasto version was awfull
 

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