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I think someone with Marley as their last name won.

To be honest, I don't even think Bob Marley himself was a particularly pure example of roots reggae for much of his career. So obviously his offspring is the best the genre has to offer today.
 
Oh, Zeppelin won their first Grammy tonight btw.

They're in the midst of a creative renaissance, so it's all good.
 
LemonMelon said:
I don't even think Bob Marley himself was a particularly pure example of roots reggae for much of his career. So obviously his offspring is the best the genre has to offer today.
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?? What? Ok well both those sentences are ridiculous, but whatever. Maybe you're being sarcastic?

Ziggy Marley winning with a live album is a whole other discussion altogether, and one that many feel is also not as deserved as others that were released.
 
gvox said:
?? What? Ok well both those sentences are ridiculous, but whatever. Maybe you're being sarcastic?
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I think Exodus might be the last album I'd play for someone who wants to know what reggae feels like (as opposed to The Congos, The Upsetters, Scientist, etc.), but anyway.

Marley is one of my favorite musicians of all time, but mostly for the terrific pop hooks.
 
u2popmofo said:
One could say that about every category in a televised awards show, no?
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Let me elaborate on what I meant:

This is one of the many categories that the Grammy's feature little to no attention on. It's really one of the only genre categories that they don't even splinter into several smaller categories (Duo/Group, Single, Album, etc.). So, in the grand scheme of things, there really isn't much they could have possibly done with the category to "do right" by the genre in the first place. And I find it hard to believe that there are multitudes of people out there right now, up in arms because Ziggy Marley won the award (likely for the 28385th time).
 
gvox said:
I think you'd be hard pressed to find many reggae fans - even those of the most strictly roots persuasion - who would agree with you here, honestly.
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And I could cite reggae purists that hop off around Natty Dread. But it's cool, I don't mind people disagreeing with me.
 
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bono_212 said:
Let me elaborate on what I meant:

This is one of the many categories that the Grammy's feature little to no attention on. It's really one of the only genre categories that they don't even splinter into several smaller categories (Duo/Group, Single, Album, etc.). So, in the grand scheme of things, there really isn't much they could have possibly done with the category to "do right" by the genre in the first place. And I find it hard to believe that there are multitudes of people out there right now, up in arms because Ziggy Marley won the award (likely for the 28385th time).
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I disagree. Reggae is a large genre with at least 3 or more sub-genres and a huge following outside of perhaps your personal sphere, but it is large all the same, especially internationally. Now..the Grammy's are US-centric, I get that, but Jamaicans and reggae fans of other nationalities are eager to see proper representation of reggae artists that they listen to, at the Grammy's. And people around the world tune in to the Grammy's, in general.

I mean right now the biggest talk on the radio here this morning is just a sigh of relief that someone Jamaican won instead of Snoop...but noone really understands why Ziggy would get the golden handshake again. For a live album. With old songs. In reality, they only got maybe one or two nominees "right" in terms of who dominated in the reggae world in 2013: Beres Hammond and Sizzla (who I'm not so sure even dominated, per se). There is a heck of alot else out there that is well deserving. And yet here we go with another Ziggy nod. And a Snoop nomination.

Anyways, I'm rambling on about it. lol
 
Let me point you back to the part of my post where I said nothing of what you seem to think I said.

What I said was that the Grammy's have one tiny category for the Genre of Reggae. As a result, it is very unlikely that any result from that category would be satisfying. The Grammy's always bite off more than they can chew, and that usually just leaves a lot of disappointment in the wake.


And, seriously, I'm not shocked that Snoop was nominated. Why would anybody be? A prolific artist in an otherwise breezed over category probably got more people to mention this award more than in any years past.

Point: The Grammy panel probably cares very little about this category. Result: give it to a Marley.
 
bono_212 said:
As a result, it is very unlikely that any result from that category would be satisfying. The Grammy's always bite off more than they can chew, and that usually just leaves a lot of disappointment in the wake.


And, seriously, I'm not shocked that Snoop was nominated. Why would anybody be? A prolific artist in an otherwise breezed over category probably got more people to mention this award more than in any years past.

Point: The Grammy panel probably cares very little about this category. Result: give it to a Marley.
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A Beres Hammond win would have been entirely appropriate and made many reggae fans ecstatic. You can't turn on a reggae station or go to a reggae club or dance without hearing Hammond. He's insanely prolific, and his shows are epic 3+hrs where he refuses to stop playing. The band is dropping dead from exhaustion before he's ready to call it a night.

And I disagree that Snoop brings any new exposure to the category. I think you're forgetting the types of artists that have won in the past and the attention the Grammy's paid to it. He brings nothing new, imo.

I agree with your last point, however, and I guess that's why I'm cranky about it. It's like a default win and it's lame.
 
gvox said:
Really now? I don't think you actually could.
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I could, actually. RateYourMusic is full of people whining about how generic and plastic Bob Marley's music sounds compared to their cherished Lee Scratch Perry-produced classics.

Honestly? Catch a Fire is my favorite of his, so that's where my own personal opinion lies.
 
LemonMelon said:
RateYourMusic is full of people whining about how generic and plastic Bob Marley's music sounds compared to their cherished Lee Scratch Perry-produced classics.
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I tend not to put much stock in what people on an internet rating site say about music, to be honest. You could pick a thousand artists and select elitist fans of each artist will whine and moan about how the earliest stuff was the purest etc etc blah blah. Sometimes I wonder if they're falling over each other in an effort to prove how so much cooler and more down they are to each other. There's plenty of excellent roots reggae from Marley right up to Confrontation. And alot of more poppy reggae too. That's the nature of that genre. Even up to today you get a guy like Buju who has a top 40 song slammed up against something very roots. :shrug:
 
Yo, Jamie Foxx was mad creepy about that. I think he was trying to joke around but it did not come off well. He couldn't even get done the nominees without "apologizing" to Jay because of how good Beyonce looked. So strange.
 
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