MrsSpringsteen
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He should not be bringing up gay marriage as having any relation with incest.
This director may be looking to create controversy just to bring attention to his movie, but I am still appalled by his comments. Anyone who brings up bestiality, incest and what-have-you in regards to the SSM argument is ruining the argument for the issue, no matter how slight. And for anyone to suggest consensual incest is OK or those who commit bestiality are like anyone else are completely out of their minds. I can go on forever complaining about those people.
"Love who you want. Isn’t that what we say? Gay marriage – love who you want?
'If it’s your brother or sister it's super-weird, but if you look at it, you're not hurting anybody except every single person who freaks out because you're in love with one another."
--Filmmaker Nick Cassavetes
He should not be bringing up gay marriage as having any relation with incest.
Why is incest illegal?
Why is incest illegal?
How long ago was it that gay marriage was illegal?
Let me ask you what more than a dozen people have asked me in this thread: How does two people loving each other hurt you?
Why is incest illegal?
Caleb8844 said:How long ago was it that gay marriage was illegal?
INDY500 said:I'll just throw out a blanket answer here. Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong.
1) Prohibitions on incestuous marriages are thousands of years old predating any possible understanding of genetics.
2) Effects of inbreeding take generations to appear in humans being statistically no more common than birth defects in children of older mothers. Do we prohibit them from marrying, having children? Chromosomal abnormalities such as trisomy would be up to twice as high in brother-sister marriages but don't explain restrictions on 2nd cousin/2nd cousin or uncle/niece marriages. Do we prohibit adults with Down Syndrome from marrying and having children although there is a 50% chance a child born to a mother with DS will have DS?
3) It isn't 1600 anymore. Most trisomy affected fetuses miscarriage or, after an amniocentesis diagnosis, can and are aborted.
3) Birth defects are of no concern if two brothers wish to marry, why restrict them?
4) What happened to equal protection?
5) We know we can't use religious arguments from old books against incestuous marriages anymore. Debating from wisdom or tradition doesn't spin the world forward it only protects the status quo. So I guess, like same-sex marriage, the only argument is the yuck factor right?
6) The only way my comments can be misconstrued as hurtful to gays or supporters of SSM is if they're forced to acknowledge they don't believe in the right to marry "no matter who you love" any more than I do. That's my only point.
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6) The only way my comments can be misconstrued as hurtful to gays or supporters of SSM is if they're forced to acknowledge they don't believe in the right to marry "no matter who you love" any more than I do. That's my only point.
The problem with you Indy, is that you get nasty and aggressive when you try to make your point. I'm willing to hear arguments against homosexuality and SSM as long as the person is a lot more tactile, especially to those they are targeting.
INDY500 said:I support the institution of marriage as a foundation for families and families as the foundation of civilization. I don't believe gay marriage is a civil rights issue. I define marriage as the union of a man and a woman. I believe in gender distinctions.
Gay people have families and make for terrific parents. There are millions of kids with gay parents. Why do you want to punish, stigmatize, and hurt other families by denying them equal rights?
Dogmatic statements of belief aren't thoughts or reasons.
I can only assume by "nasty and aggressive" you mean refusing to evolve, like our president, on the issue. I understand this is a personal and emotional issue. I understand as well some of the arguments for same-sex marriage (which is why I support civil unions that grant legal privileges married couples enjoy), I just don't accept them.
I support the institution of marriage as a foundation for families and families as the foundation of civilization. I don't believe gay marriage is a civil rights issue. I define marriage as the union of a man and a woman. I believe in gender distinctions.
Missed the mark on that one...
It's somewhat legal in a number of countries. And personally I don't really give a fuck, to be honest.
But while you were joking around INDY, it's pretty offensive, when you consider that incestuous relationships can result in birth defects and so on, while the word itself comes from a Latin word meaning not pure.
So for you to compare it to homosexuality is disgraceful.
I understand this is a personal and emotional issue. I understand as well some of the arguments for same-sex marriage (which is why I support civil unions that grant legal privileges married couples enjoy), I just don't accept them.
I support the institution of marriage as a foundation for families and families as the foundation of civilization. I don't believe gay marriage is a civil rights issue. I define marriage as the union of a man and a woman. I believe in gender distinctions.
Caleb8844 said:Woops, meant to say "How long ago was homosexuality illegal?"
INDY500 said:It isn't 1600 anymore
INDY500 said:Why? Can't two brothers or two sisters fall in love just as easily as a brother and a sister?