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One perfect example of this is their show in Chicago on the last North American leg:

October 11, 2006
Chicago Illinois
Soldier Field
GROSS: $4,020,721
ATTENDANCE: 33,296
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average Ticket Price: $120.76
SUPPORT: Elvis Costello

Only 33,296 people in a stadium that can fit over 60,000 people, in the 3rd largest city in the United States. There were no other shows in the Chicago area on that leg and no other nearby shows in Wisconsin, Indiana or other parts of Illinois that would have hampered sales.

They even had Elvis Costello in support.

Just curious, how cold is it usually in Chicago at 10pm in mid October at an outdoor stadium? Don't the NFL games played in the afternoon?

I don't remember exactly, but in any event U2 are more popular now than they were in 2001. Their average attendance per show has been rising since 2001.

The Rolling Stones average attendance per show has been consistently declining or stagnating since 1989

Average Attendance On Rolling Stones Tours:

Steel Wheels: 56,000
Voodoo Lounge: 51,103
Bridges To Babylon/No Security: 40,115
Licks Tour: 30,927
A Bigger Bang Tour: 32,727

By contrast, U2's average attendance has been on the rise and now they have the highest average attendance of any tour in history at 64,760 !

There's some selective math here. U2 world tours shifting from nearly all arenas to all stadium over the past decade. Stones having their ratio go from virtually all Stadiums to something closer to 50/50(third?).

In 2001 U2 did 80 shows in US/Canada
In 2005 U2 did 78 shows in US/Canada
In 2009/11 did 42 shows in US/Canada

Of course the averages will go up is if you cut the number of shows in half and move to Stadiums. Then space the shows over 2 non-consecuative calendar years in carefully selected markets.

Here's many, if not all of the arena shows on the Elevation tour that U2 failed to sell out:

Portland April 15, 2001 Rose Garden GROSS: $1,276,120 ATTENDANCE: 16,653
Cleveland May 3, 2001 Gund Arena GROSS: $1,492,460 ATTENDANCE: 18,763
Lexington May 4, 2001 Rupp Arena GROSS: $1,143,878 ATTENDANCE: 16,642
Pittsburgh May 6, 2001 Mellon Arena GROSS: $1,225,160 ATTENDANCE: 14,863
Columbus May 7, 2001 Nationwide Arena GROSS: $1,284,930 ATTENDANCE: 15,495
Sacramento November 20, 2001 Arco Arena GROSS: $1,139,145 ATTENDANCE: 13,789
Kansas City November 27, 2001 Kemper Arena GROSS: $1,106,456 ATTENDANCE: 13,456
St. Louis November 28, 2001 Savvis Center GROSS: $1,269,365 ATTENDANCE: 16,051

What's really sobering about the Portland non-sellout was the fact it was their first show in the city in 20 YEARS!!!

I also remember the Seattle/Tacoma arena dates to be "soft" sellouts. I'm surprised they can do so well at the NFL stadium and think this is an example how how a city benefits from strategic scheduling in the Oregon/Seattle/Vancouver corridor.
 
U2 played to 63,802 people in Vancouver already on this tour. Seattle is almost sold out. I'll be conservative and say they will play to roughly 67,000 in Seattle. That is around 130,000 in the North West Corridor which is awesome.

Sure some strategic scheduling has to be done on this tour, but that goes for any tour. THE BIGGEST reason why the 360 tour is scheduled the way it is is because of its mere size! LOL Logistics prevents it from playing every possible market out there.

IF they would stray from the 360 theme and also play arenas and theatres like A Bigger Bang Tour, they could easily gross close to a billion dollars on this tour. By looking at numbers etc etc Common sense tells you this.

All they would have to do is play another stadium round in Europe, a few in Asia then hit up all the other major cities they did not play close to with arenas and theatres and BAM! we would see close to a billion dollar tour. :applaud:
 
U2 played to 63,802 people in Vancouver already on this tour. Seattle is almost sold out. I'll be conservative and say they will play to roughly 67,000 in Seattle. That is around 130,000 in the North West Corridor which is awesome.

Sure some strategic scheduling has to be done on this tour, but that goes for any tour. THE BIGGEST reason why the 360 tour is scheduled the way it is is because of its mere size! LOL Logistics prevents it from playing every possible market out there.

IF they would stray from the 360 theme and also play arenas and theatres like A Bigger Bang Tour, they could easily gross close to a billion dollars on this tour. By looking at numbers etc etc Common sense tells you this.

All they would have to do is play another stadium round in Europe, a few in Asia then hit up all the other major cities they did not play close to with arenas and theatres and BAM! we would see close to a billion dollar tour. :applaud:

So the 360 attandance in Vancouver/Seattle should be roughly the same as what they did on ZooTV. 2 shows rather than 5.

I'm not convinced that the 3 claws have criss-crossed each continent in any logical manner. I've always thought routing was decided more by demand and less by each of the 3 claws have the easiest travel route. Some claws have to travel halfway across a continent and back for a single show.

What market, that they've visited on past tours, in Europe or North America still has demand to host their first 360 show? Norway is a maybe, but creating a venue would be a repeat of Montreal/Moncton.

U2 mixed stadiums/arenas within a tour leg on joshua and the band/crew had said(U2SHOW book) switching the "show" back and forth created some headaches.

Why are some of you still claiming that the Stones have played THEATERS in order to pad their overall tour boxscores figures? There's barely a clearcut case where they had to play an arena as an only choice over a stadium.
 
how many days does it take to set up and tear down U2's 360 stage compared to a regular conventional stage? my whole point.
 
how many days does it take to set up and tear down U2's 360 stage compared to a regular conventional stage? my whole point.

I think stadiums have to be held for at least 6 days to host a 360 show. So for the postponed 2010 tour they still had to pay for 100+ days worth of stadium bookings.

I do wonder if 2 cities on 360, something like vegas/rosebowl, could have been done on back to back days if they had wanted.

Popmart, Zoo and Stadium Vertigo had multiple days off between shows too. Not sure if they only had 2 or 3 sets of scaffolding or it was possible extra shows they didn't use. They've also been giving Bono lots of off days for his voice since Popmart.
 
yeah i honestly like the fact Bono has more days off between shows on this tour because his voice has been better as a result of this.
 
If U2 ends up grossing $717 million and selling 7.1 million tickets like USA Todays says they will, then that means they will have an average attendance of 64,000 per show between south america and north america and an average of $6.2 million per show. they are staying consistent with their overall tour averages. This also means they will gross $200 million from only 32 shows and sell 2 million tickets.

Ending the tour like this obviously means demand has not been met. in many markets yes, but overall no way.
 
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2. The list was made before the entire second North American leg schedule was announced. Only part of it was announced at that point (AND THIS LIST DID NOT APPLY TO MARKETS THAT WERE GOING TO BE AND/OR ARE STRATEGICALLY SCHEDULED). YOU KNOW THAT.


The ONLY thing I was wrong about here was the Winnipeg show.





The list was made with the knowledge of not just the majority of the tour leg being announced, but with almost all the shows having gone on sale:

There were only 6 shows beyond that point which were announced.

The list certainly applied to everything that was on it, which includes nearly all of the shows and area's in question.

PERFECT EXAMPLE:

You said U2 could not fill a stadium in Western Pennsylvania OR OHIO. BOTH AREA'S! You stated the reason that U2 was not visiting those area's was because they could not fill a stadium in either of them.

Ohio CAN'T help Western Pennsylvania fill a stadium show there because you already stated it was not possible in either place REGARDLESS of what U2 did in terms of scheduling. The chance of U2 being able to is described by you as NOT A HOPE IN HELL!


This list was made with the full knowledge of any strategies about scheduling as well as substantial knowledge on how several of the 2nd leg dates were selling.

With the knowledge of what U2 had done so far on 360, you stated there would be NO shows in any of these area's, WITH NO EXCEPTIONS!
 




Slightly weakened? :lol: Those eleven markets would've added nearly $100 million to her Sticky & Sweet tour total, which is not even including strategically scheduling them (or very little at most). So, that's HARDLY considered "slightly." :lol:

And no, adding Madonna's previous tour totals does not make for a fair comparison. And the fact you think that is astonishing, since I'm talking about Madonna's CURRENT draw, not combined tour totals or the comparison of them, which is another topic.
:rolleyes: :doh:


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Look, Sticky And Sweet is no different from 360 in terms of being weakened by prior tours if you take away the 2006 Confessions tour.

The difference between Madonna's 2004 tour and the Sticky And Sweet Tour is four years, same as the difference between the start of Vertigo and the start of 360.

Whatever weakning was incured by Sticky And Sweet was do to touring so soon after the Confessions tour, 2 years.

The Fact is, Sticky And Sweet is still representive of more than 50% of Madonna's FULL GROSSING potential in a single tour. If you say Confessions is what prevented it from being say 90% or 100% of her full potential, it only makes sense to then ADD the CONFESSIONS results to the Sticky And Sweet Figures.

Doing so is still in keeping with talking about MADONNA's drawing potential "NOW" or in 2008-2009 when Sticky And Sweet took place.

What has prevented Madonna from hitting 100% of her potential on the Sticky And Sweet Tour, its the Confessions tour.

So (Madonna's Full potential gross from one tour "NOW") minus (Confessions tour) = (Results Of Sticky And Sweet Tour)

Or you could say

(Madonna's Full potential gross from one tour "NOW") minus (Confessions, Re-Inventioned, Drowned, tour) = (Results Of Sticky And Sweet Tour)

If your claim is that Sticky And Sweet is in some way stunted by the other tours, adding those tours more than makes up for any loss. Its adding back the very thing you say has stunted the potential gross in the first place. There can't be ANY greater adjustment than that.

It does not matter that Madonna may have been more popular in 2008 than in 2004, because what is claimed to have stunted her from reaching her full potential in 2008 is STILL THE SAME, that being the tour or tours she did prior to Sticky And Sweet.
 



It depends on too many factors to consider. I'd need a concrete schedule.



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LOL, thats never stumped you before. You've posted multiple tour estimates about U2 BEFORE anything was EVEN announced. You even told us what Pink Floyd would do today.

That's not really a schedule, it's a summary.
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You didn't need anymore than that to make estimates for U2's next tour or a hypothetical Pink Floyd tour these days.

If you can make estimates for them, and claim that Madonna is a larger draw than U2, you should be able to make an estimate of what Madonna could gross on a 110 date tour in 2013 maximum.

If you can't at least make this estimate, you have NO basis for claiming Madonna is a larger draw than U2.

We've seen your estimates on countless other things, like U2 before anything was announced, or a hypothetical Pink Floyd Tour.

HELL, you even gave an estimate for THE POLICE before their tour was announced, and gave an estimate for a hypothetical Guns N Roses reunion tour!


Whats your estimate for Madonna, 110 dates, maximum gross, starting in 2013?

Were waiting.
 
Just curious, how cold is it usually in Chicago at 10pm in mid October at an outdoor stadium? Don't the NFL games played in the afternoon?

LOL, not as Cold as Toronto and Montreal in early October.

The average low in Chicago in October which occurs just before the sun comes up over the horizon in the morning is 46 degrees F. The average high tempture in October , which would be just a few hours before the start of the show is 64 degrees F in October.

Back in 1981, the Rolling Stones played two soldout shows in Boulder Colorado to a combined attendance of 120,000. Those shows were on October 14 and October 15. In Boulder Colorado, the average low before the sun comes up is 37 degrees F, and the average high in the afternoon for October is 67 degrees F.

Sorry, but it does not appear cold weather was a factor in the 33,000 attendance for the 2006 Stones show at Soldier Field.

There's some selective math here. U2 world tours shifting from nearly all arenas to all stadium over the past decade. Stones having their ratio go from virtually all Stadiums to something closer to 50/50(third?).

In 2001 U2 did 80 shows in US/Canada
In 2005 U2 did 78 shows in US/Canada
In 2009/11 did 42 shows in US/Canada

Of course the averages will go up is if you cut the number of shows in half and move to Stadiums. Then space the shows over 2 non-consecuative calendar years in carefully selected markets.

1. The current U2 tour is no different than the Stones tour in terms of strategic scheduling. The Stones played a North American leg in 2005, followed by one a year later in 2006 on the same tour. This was the same for 360, with only 6 shows being added to the 2nd leg because of the delay.

2. The averages for attendance on each tour come from the WHOLE tour, not just NORTH AMERICA!

So your chart should look like this:

In 2001 U2 did 113 shows worldwide
In 2005/2006 U2 did 131 shows worldwide
In 2009/11 did 110 shows worldwide.

Each tour has carefully selected dates, although 360's are more carefully selected with return legs to the same regions taking place the following year, but that is the SAME as the STONES and the most recent Madonna tour.

Remember, these are all Live Nation Artist, and Live Nation is not favoring U2 while undercutting the Stones or Madonna in any way when it comes to maximizing GROSS on the road.
 
It would appear that by the 2nd (perhaps 3rd) Brazilian show, U2 360 will be the highest grossing tour in history (not adjusted for inflation) and there is still an entire N.A. leg left. :applaud:
 
What's really sobering about the Portland non-sellout was the fact it was their first show in the city in 20 YEARS!!!

Lets put things in perspective here. Were talking about Oregon. This is not a state that is a hot spot for touring. Case in point the Rolling Stones.

1st played the state of Oregon in 1966 in Portland at Memorial Coliseum. The Stones did not play ANYWHERE IN OREGON again until 1998, 32 years later.

July 21, 1966
Portland Oregon
Memorial Coliseum
GROSS: ?
ATTENDANCE: ?
SHOWS: 1
Average Ticket Price: ?

January 30-31, 1998
Portland Oregon
Rose Garden
GROSS: $2,975,914
ATTENDANCE: 35,059
SHOWS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $84.88

November 1, 2005
Portland Oregon
Rose Garden Arena
GROSS: $2,221,800
ATTENDANCE: 15,634
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average Ticket Price: $142.11


U2 in Oregon:

May 6, 1997
Eugene Oregon
Autzen Stadium
GROSS: $1,293,540
ATTENDANCE: 25,931
CAPACITY: 30,000
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 0
Average Ticket Price: $49.88

April 15, 2001
Portland Oregon
Rose Garden
GROSS: $1,276,120
ATTENDANCE: 16,653
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average Ticket Price: $76.63

December 19, 2005
Portland Oregon
Rose Garden
GROSS: $1,670,879
ATTENDANCE: 18,233
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average Ticket Price: $91.64


In terms of career ticket sales in Oregon, the Stones are ahead in GROSS, but U2 might actually be ahead in attendance!

Either way, this clearly demonstrates that Oregon is not a strong market, and selling 16,653 tickets at $77 dollars a ticket is nothing to be embarrassed about, even after a having not been in the specific city for 20 years. This Oregon after all.

Pink Floyd stopped playing Oregon after 1977. At the moment, the only artist I can think of that did a stadium show in Oregon is U2.
 
What market, that they've visited on past tours, in Europe or North America still has demand to host their first 360 show? Norway is a maybe, but creating a venue would be a repeat of Montreal/Moncton.

Oslo
Marseille
Prague
Belfast
Naples




U2 mixed stadiums/arenas within a tour leg on joshua and the band/crew had said(U2SHOW book) switching the "show" back and forth created some headaches.

Yes, but this would involve switching back in forth. The arena's would be in addition to the 360 stadium dates that had gone before.

Why are some of you still claiming that the Stones have played THEATERS in order to pad their overall tour boxscores figures? There's barely a clearcut case where they had to play an arena as an only choice over a stadium

1. If the demand is there for a stadium show, the stadium show will be played because that will bring in more money.

2. An exception may be if the band is trying to help demand for another neaby market. Underplay the typical stadium market, to support the other nearby market.

Example A - Stones elect to play two arena shows in Philadelphia, but play a stadium show in nearby Hershey PA. Underplaying Philadelphia helps sell tickets for the Hershey PA stadium show.

Example B - Stones elect to play single arena shows in Washington DC and Baltimore underplaying the DC Baltimore market, which helps support the Charlotesville VA Stadium show.

RESULT: The Stones walk away with a higher gross then if they had just done the ONE TWO Stadium punch of Phili and DC(single stadium shows in Philadelphia and DC.

Example C - Stones play single Arena shows in Houston and Dallas, which drives up demand the following year for the Austin Texas and El Paso Texas shows.

NOTE: It might be easier to play a stadium show in a NON-TRADITIONAL stadium market especially when there is underplaying of larger nearby markets.

Bottom line, Live Nation did everything it could to squeeze every dollar out of the market for the A Bigger Bang Tour. This involved playing smaller venues to reach all demand. When your not restricted to just playing big stadiums in the large markets and can play smaller venues, your better able to reach your TRUE MAXIMUM GROSS POTENTIAL!

Also, the last 3 shows of the tour at the O2 Arena in London, all failed to sellout, even in the 270 configeration capacity.

Also, no stadium shows in Florida and Georgia. Utah and Colorado arena shows fail to sellout. New York City only has TWO stadium shows, and gross there is padded with multiple arena shows, two shows at the Beacon theater and one show at Radio City Music Hall!

WITHOUT THE ARENA, MUSIC HALL AND THEATER SHOWS, THIS IS HOW THE ROLLING STONES DID WITH THEIR STADIUM SHOWS:

THE ROLLING STONES A BIGGER BANG TOUR STADIUMS ONLY

GROSS: $406,665,964
ATTENDANCE: 3,904,606
Average Gross: $4,569,281
Average Attendance: 43,872
Average Ticket Price: $104.15
Shows: 89
Sellouts: 36

Overall, the Stones weakness in filling stadiums is why Arena's were brought in to help out. I'm sure the Stones would have prefered to simply do stadiums and no arena's, but they would have ended up with an overall smaller gross. Arena's are easier to sellout, easier to play multiple shows taking advantage of multiple show goers, and you can often charge a higher average ticket price than you can in the stadium.

Live Nation did everything they could to bring in the largest gross figure possible, and playing arena's was considered necessary to arrive at $558 million!
 
Where do you have these figures from?
Here's what Billboard reported in their 2003 year end special:

GROSS: $299,520,230
ATTENDANCE: 3,470,945
Average Gross: $2,604,524
Average Attendance: 30,182
Average Ticket Price: $86.29
Shows: 115
Sellouts: 69

hmmm, interesting. I got my figures by subtracting the A Bigger Bang Results from the Billboard Decade chart results at Billboard.

The Rolling Stones totals from their two tours during the Decade:

Total Gross: $869,471,325 Number of Shows: 264
Total Attendance: 8,236,586 Number of Sell-Outs: 190

To get the Licks tour results, I simply subtracted A Bigger Bang tour results from these figures.

Music News, Reviews, Articles, Information, News Online & Free Music | Billboard.com

In any event, the results are similar, except for the number of sellouts.
 
U2 played to 63,802 people in Vancouver already on this tour. Seattle is almost sold out. I'll be conservative and say they will play to roughly 67,000 in Seattle. That is around 130,000 in the North West Corridor which is awesome.

Sure some strategic scheduling has to be done on this tour, but that goes for any tour. THE BIGGEST reason why the 360 tour is scheduled the way it is is because of its mere size! LOL Logistics prevents it from playing every possible market out there.

IF they would stray from the 360 theme and also play arenas and theatres like A Bigger Bang Tour, they could easily gross close to a billion dollars on this tour. By looking at numbers etc etc Common sense tells you this.

All they would have to do is play another stadium round in Europe, a few in Asia then hit up all the other major cities they did not play close to with arenas and theatres and BAM! we would see close to a billion dollar tour. :applaud:

:lol:

Wow...just wow!

What you're conveniently NOT mentioning is that 130,000 attendance in spread over nearly TWO years and that MANY fans are attending BOTH shows.

Also, not EVERY tour utilizes strategic scheduling to this extent. ONLY a few have (that I've already previously mentioned).

There are THREE identical 360 tour stage sets in place so that the tour doesn't drag on for too long. This is VERY common for stadium tours. The 360 tour is NO different on that level.

Even with the variables you've given, U2 could not gross $1 Billion on the 360 tour. And they won't gross $1 Billion from any single one of their tours until about 2020, at the earliest.




 
The list was made with the knowledge of not just the majority of the tour leg being announced, but with almost all the shows having gone on sale:

There were only 6 shows beyond that point which were announced.

The list certainly applied to everything that was on it, which includes nearly all of the shows and area's in question.

PERFECT EXAMPLE:

You said U2 could not fill a stadium in Western Pennsylvania OR OHIO. BOTH AREA'S! You stated the reason that U2 was not visiting those area's was because they could not fill a stadium in either of them.

Ohio CAN'T help Western Pennsylvania fill a stadium show there because you already stated it was not possible in either place REGARDLESS of what U2 did in terms of scheduling. The chance of U2 being able to is described by you as NOT A HOPE IN HELL!


This list was made with the full knowledge of any strategies about scheduling as well as substantial knowledge on how several of the 2nd leg dates were selling.

With the knowledge of what U2 had done so far on 360, you stated there would be NO shows in any of these area's, WITH NO EXCEPTIONS!


You're STILL not getting it. :rolleyes:

Let's go over this AGAIN:

1. You cherry-picked a quote of mine from a thread on the UK Mix forum, where we were ALREADY discussing the 360 tour and STRATEGIC SCHEDULING for MONTHS. But this particular quote of mine was slightly off topic. And yet you try to claim I'm lying about something that I was ALREADY discussing for MONTHS? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.

Which directly relates to...

2. The list was made before the entire second North American leg schedule was announced. Only part of it was announced at that point (AND THIS LIST DID NOT APPLY TO MARKETS THAT WERE GOING TO BE AND/OR ARE STRATEGICALLY SCHEDULED). YOU KNOW THAT.

The ONLY thing I was wrong about here was the Winnipeg show.
 
Look, Sticky And Sweet is no different from 360 in terms of being weakened by prior tours if you take away the 2006 Confessions tour.

The difference between Madonna's 2004 tour and the Sticky And Sweet Tour is four years, same as the difference between the start of Vertigo and the start of 360.

But the Confessions tour DID happen. So your point is moot.
:rolleyes:

The Fact is, Sticky And Sweet is still representive of more than 50% of Madonna's FULL GROSSING potential in a single tour. If you say Confessions is what prevented it from being say 90% or 100% of her full potential, it only makes sense to then ADD the CONFESSIONS results to the Sticky And Sweet Figures.

Doing so is still in keeping with talking about MADONNA's drawing potential "NOW" or in 2008-2009 when Sticky And Sweet took place.

No, it doesn't make very much sense, because I'm talking about Madonna's CURRENT draw, not combined tour totals. :doh:

What has prevented Madonna from hitting 100% of her potential on the Sticky And Sweet Tour, its the Confessions tour.

Holy shit! You're RIGHT about something! Congrats! :applaud:

So (Madonna's Full potential gross from one tour "NOW") minus (Confessions tour) = (Results Of Sticky And Sweet Tour)

Or you could say

(Madonna's Full potential gross from one tour "NOW") minus (Confessions, Re-Inventioned, Drowned, tour) = (Results Of Sticky And Sweet Tour)

If your claim is that Sticky And Sweet is in some way stunted by the other tours, adding those tours more than makes up for any loss. Its adding back the very thing you say has stunted the potential gross in the first place. There can't be ANY greater adjustment than that.

It does not matter that Madonna may have been more popular in 2008 than in 2004, because what is claimed to have stunted her from reaching her full potential in 2008 is STILL THE SAME, that being the tour or tours she did prior to Sticky And Sweet.

Nope. That STILL doesn't make very much sense. :rolleyes:
 
LOL, thats never stumped you before. You've posted multiple tour estimates about U2 BEFORE anything was EVEN announced. You even told us what Pink Floyd would do today.

You didn't need anymore than that to make estimates for U2's next tour or a hypothetical Pink Floyd tour these days.

If you can make estimates for them, and claim that Madonna is a larger draw than U2, you should be able to make an estimate of what Madonna could gross on a 110 date tour in 2013 maximum.

If you can't at least make this estimate, you have NO basis for claiming Madonna is a larger draw than U2.

We've seen your estimates on countless other things, like U2 before anything was announced, or a hypothetical Pink Floyd Tour.

HELL, you even gave an estimate for THE POLICE before their tour was announced, and gave an estimate for a hypothetical Guns N Roses reunion tour!


Whats your estimate for Madonna, 110 dates, maximum gross, starting in 2013?

Were waiting.

I have a greater and more intimate knowledge of many other artists' touring history than Madonna's touring history. But if you MUST know what Madonna's Sticky & Sweet tour would've done if there wasn't a Confessions tour and if massive strategic scheduling was in place, ala the 360 tour, then it would've had a ticket sales gross of $500-$600 million. Also, if Madonna doesn't tour in 2011 or 2012 and if strategic scheduling occurred on a massive scale, then a potential 2013 tour with 110 dates would have a ticket sales gross of closer to $1 Billion.
 
Just curious, how cold is it usually in Chicago at 10pm in mid October at an outdoor stadium? Don't the NFL games played in the afternoon?

You might already know this (and of course Maoil isn't going to bring it up) but The Stones played Chicago on the A Bigger Bang tour THREE times in 13 months. The date you're referring to was their third time through. Here are the boxscores for all three stops in Chicago on that tour:

September 10, 2005
Chicago Illinois
Soldier Field
GROSS: $7,231,427
ATTENDANCE: 55,046
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average ticket Price: $131.37

January 23 & 25, 2006
Chicago Illinois
United Center
GROSS: $5,545,431
ATTENDANCE: 29,997
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $184.87

October 11, 2006
Chicago Illinois
Soldier Field
GROSS: $4,020,721
ATTENDANCE: 33,296
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average Ticket Price: $120.76
SUPPORT: Elvis Costello
 
You might already know this (and of course Maoil isn't going to bring it up) but The Stones played Chicago on the A Bigger Bang tour THREE times in 13 months. The date you're referring to was their third time through.

The original plan was to play soldier Field in July 2010 and in May it was sold out. that means 3 X 68.000 tickets in 9 months :wave:
 
You might already know this (and of course Maoil isn't going to bring it up) but The Stones played Chicago on the A Bigger Bang tour THREE times in 13 months. The date you're referring to was their third time through.

The original plan was to play soldier Field in July 2010 and in May it was sold out. that means 3 X 68.000 tickets in 9 months :wave:

Tickets are still available for the resheduled Chicago show.

I do believe they will fill show #3, but for 2009/10 it was one of the only midwest markets played. St. Louis was added late in the game.

Stones simply oversaturated Chicago with 3 visits on a single tour with little incentive to attend the finl stadium show.
 
You're STILL not getting it. :rolleyes:

Let's go over this AGAIN:

1. You cherry-picked a quote of mine from a thread on the UK Mix forum, where we were ALREADY discussing the 360 tour and STRATEGIC SCHEDULING for MONTHS. But this particular quote of mine was slightly off topic. And yet you try to claim I'm lying about something that I was ALREADY discussing for MONTHS? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.

Which directly relates to...

2. The list was made before the entire second North American leg schedule was announced. Only part of it was announced at that point (AND THIS LIST DID NOT APPLY TO MARKETS THAT WERE GOING TO BE AND/OR ARE STRATEGICALLY SCHEDULED). YOU KNOW THAT.

The ONLY thing I was wrong about here was the Winnipeg show.

I just provided a perfect response to your points. Your response is a copy in past of what I had just responded to which shows one of two things:

1. You did not read my response at all.

2. You understand how wrong you are, but are unwilling to admit it, sort of like a person that sticks their fingers in their ears and talks loudly to block out something that they don't want to hear.

Its a rather simple correction and its ignorant and un-objective to be completely denying it.

No one here or at the UKMIX forum would say anything different on the fact that you were wrong about Western Pennsylvania, Nashville, Winnipeg and St. Louis.
 

But the Confessions tour DID happen. So your point is moot.
:rolleyes:



No, it doesn't make very much sense, because I'm talking about Madonna's CURRENT draw, not combined tour totals. :doh:



Holy shit! You're RIGHT about something! Congrats! :applaud:



Nope. That STILL doesn't make very much sense. :rolleyes:

It makes a hell of a lot more sense than just blankly claiming it doesn't make sense.

Lets see your attempt to accurately adjust for the confessions tour with respect to the Sticky And Sweet tours total gross.
 
I have a greater and more intimate knowledge of many other artists' touring history than Madonna's touring history. But if you MUST know what Madonna's Sticky & Sweet tour would've done if there wasn't a Confessions tour and if massive strategic scheduling was in place, ala the 360 tour, then it would've had a ticket sales gross of $500-$600 million. Also, if Madonna doesn't tour in 2011 or 2012 and if strategic scheduling occurred on a massive scale, then a potential 2013 tour with 110 dates would have a ticket sales gross of closer to $1 Billion.

LOL

1. Well, at least we have you on the record. Remember, Live Nation is not going to do anything that would undercut Madonna's maximum gross figure for a tour in 2013, so there is really no need to bring up the scheduling issue.

2. $500 million to $600 million is certainly less than what U2 is doing on the 360 tour which. Both Sticky And Sweet and the U2 360 tour overlap with the year 2009, so both are on essentially the same time scale.

3. A 1 Billion gross over 110 shows would be an average gross per show of $9 million dollars. For a 360 stadium show, that would mean an average ticket price of about $140 dollars. For a 270 stadium show, that would mean an average ticket price of $165 dollars. For a 360 arena show, that would mean an average ticket price of $486.50. For a 270 arena show, that would mean an average ticket price of $580.64.

4. In terms of looking at Madonna's ability to potentially gross $9 million per show in 2013, lets take a look at Madonna shows that have actually achieved that gross before.

We find that there have only been 4 shows in Madonna's career where she has grossed $9 million or more at a single show. Yet, MOGGIO is predicting that without another tour before 2013, Madonna will do this 110 times in a row starting in 2013.

Here are the four shows that Madonna has achieved this level of gross:

1. Military Airfield Zurich 70,314 / 70,314 (100%) $11,093,631

This was the first time Madonna had ever played in Switzerland no doubt inflating the gross and attendance.

2. Wembley Stadium London 73,349 / 73,349 (100%) $11,796,540

3. Olympic Stadium Athens 75,637 / 75,637 (100%) $9,030,440

Again, the first time Madonna has ever played in Greece.

4. West Harbour Helsinki 85,354 / 85,354 (100%) $12,148,455

Again, the first time Madonna has ever played in Finland.



An interesting point to be made is the first time Madonna EVER played WALES.

First time: Millennium Stadium Cardiff 55,795 / 55,795 (100%) $7,788,845

Second Time: Millennium Stadium Cardiff 33,460 / 33,460 (100%) $5,279,107

Now its true the shows were only two years apart, but the first show was Madonna's first ever in Wales. This is over a 40% drop off in attendance. If Madonna had waited 4 years instead of two, it appears there would would have been no increase over the 2006 show given the deep drop experienced after two years. This could be a strong indicator of Madonna's grossing ability in the dozens of markets she has rarely played.

My prediction for a Madonna 110 date tour starting in 2013 without any shows for the rest of 2011 and 2012 is $600 million maximum. She is not at U2's level on the 360 tour on Sticky And Sweet, and she still won't be in 2013. Her gross could well be lower than $600 million as Madonna for to long now has reaped the benefits of rarely touring dozens of markets around the world. As these markets around the world are played, the excitement of seeing Madonna for the first time will naturally decline or stagnate with the 2nd or 3rd shows in these areas.
 
You might already know this (and of course Maoil isn't going to bring it up) but The Stones played Chicago on the A Bigger Bang tour THREE times in 13 months. The date you're referring to was their third time through. Here are the boxscores for all three stops in Chicago on that tour:

September 10, 2005
Chicago Illinois
Soldier Field
GROSS: $7,231,427
ATTENDANCE: 55,046
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average ticket Price: $131.37

January 23 & 25, 2006
Chicago Illinois
United Center
GROSS: $5,545,431
ATTENDANCE: 29,997
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $184.87

October 11, 2006
Chicago Illinois
Soldier Field
GROSS: $4,020,721
ATTENDANCE: 33,296
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average Ticket Price: $120.76
SUPPORT: Elvis Costello

LOL the Rolling Stones crippled by two arena shows 10 months earlier resulting in only 33,296 attendance in a 62,000 seat stadium in one of the largest cities on the planet.
 
That's one of the MANY things we're talking about.



They ARE bigger draws than U2.

MOGGIO has an obsession with saying that someone is a bigger draw than U2, which is why he once often said the Eagles were, and then in the past few years elevated Madonna to that status when it was clear only one artist could compete with U2. Bringing up dead bands and imagining them beating U2 on a tour is not a surprise.

Unfortunately for MOGGIO, these fantasy's will never happen.
 
Dead played the Autzen Stadium in Oregon at least 7-8 times. Plus double nighters at Portland Meadows amphitheater.

Oh yes, the artist with the traveling band of hippies helping inflate their attendance at every show. That group of people could not really travel overseas with them leading to different results outside of North America.
 
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