Will they sell out stadiums in the USA?

[Moggio]

That and if he tried using facts...

It's a fact that NLOTH is tanking.

It's a fact that only 30% of the North American shows on the 360 tour have sold out.

It's a fact that just about everyone here has used every excuse in the book to explain why NLOTH isn't selling better than it has or why only some of the shows on the North American leg of the 360 tour have sold out.

And it's a fact that every single week TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars are grossed by THOUSANDS of touring acts all over the world, despite the current recession...and hence MANY major touring artists aren't suffering whatsoever from it.

 

[elevated_u2_fan]

It's a fact that NLOTH is tanking.

It's a fact that only 30% of the North American shows on the 360 tour have sold out.

It's a fact that just about everyone here has used every excuse in the book to explain why NLOTH isn't selling better than it has or why only some of the shows on the North American leg of the 360 tour have sold out.

And it's a fact that every single week TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars are grossed by THOUSANDS of touring acts all over the world, despite the current recession...and hence MANY major touring artists aren't suffering whatsoever from it.

how are these facts exactly?

 

[U2Fanatic4ever]

that font boldness is killing me.. Are ya trying to make a point with it?

 

[ramblin rose]

And it's a fact that every single week TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars are grossed by THOUSANDS of touring acts all over the world, despite the current recession...and hence MANY major touring artists aren't suffering whatsoever from it.

Just curious,

1) What other acts in the US are touring and selling out in Stadiums?
2) Are you discussing US or all over the world, which is it?
3) Why does all of this bother you so much?

 

[elevated_u2_fan]

that font boldness is killing me.. Are ya trying to make a point with it?

what? You don't like it?

 

[U2Fanatic4ever]

what? You don't like it?

:killintheface:


i was referring to the originator of said font. /kthx

 

[elevated_u2_fan]

:killintheface:


i was referring to the originator of said font. /kthx

close, but you need that BRIGHT BLUE to make it even more annoying...

 

[U2Fanatic4ever]

close, but you need that BRIGHT BLUE to make it even more annoying...

you mean this perhaps?


i kinda favor this one maybe cuz i'm a girl..



annoying all the same tho.

 

[elevated_u2_fan]

whatever works for you...

 

[elevated_u2_fan]

I still don't see any of these "facts"... Do you know what a fact is?

 

[U2Fanatic4ever]

whatever works for you...

Uh huh.. yep.

 

[U2Fanatic4ever]

I still don't see any of these "facts"... Do you know what a fact is?

he's looking up what 'fact' means right nao..

 

[bfloxng]

And it's a fact that every single week TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars are grossed by THOUSANDS of touring acts all over the world, despite the current recession...and hence MANY major touring artists aren't suffering whatsoever from it.

REALLY? THOUSANDS of touring acts are EVERY SINGLE WEEK grossing TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars? WOW!

So...let's do the math. $20,000,000 (i.e., tens, thus at least 20) x 2,000 (i.e., thousands, so at least 2,000)=$40,000,000,000 x 52=$2,080,000,000,000!!!

2.08 TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR?

INCREDIBLE!!! I suppose we're not in a recession after all?

If only we could find a way to tax that, just for a year, we'd be out of this mess and able to bail out EVERYBODY! ***Drafts memo to Obama***

 

[U2Fanatic4ever]

and ^

 

[roy keane]

He's on a mission here, to wind us all up. And he enjoys that.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

nah. Houston and Dallas will be sold out by the time the concert is. I think yours is a lowball estimate (and the others is even worse!). I'd say 65K minimum, and sell outs extremely likely for these two venues. Norman, Raleigh and Charlottesville: 90% capacity each (at least).

Your right, but that was my original estimate before everything went on sale. Even though I had the highest sales predictions, it does not appear that even my prediction will be close to how they will do in those "weaker markets". The sales in Houston and Dallas are simply amazing.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

I find it amusing the number of Monday morning quarterbacks around here. None of us really have any idea how many tickets have been sold so far except for maybe those cited in the Live Nation press releases. I would think if the other markets had sold 60-80K tickets already, Live Nation would be tooting their horns. There's no doubt RIM (Blackberry) has held back tickets for employees, business partners, and ticket giveaway contests.

Don't worry Dopper, the Billboard Boxscores for each show will be posted on Billboard.com and in Billboard magazine this fall, usually each week after the show is played. We'll see who's prediction was closest to the real results then.

 

[roy keane]

What's monday morning quarterback?

 

[elevated_u2_fan]

kinda like a back seat driver...

 

[BVS]

He's on a mission here, to wind us all up. And he enjoys that.

The guy signed on and his very first post was how U2 aren't popular to ever fill stadiums again, 6 months later and he's still trying to hold on to that argument... but now in bold new blue font.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

It's a fact that NLOTH is tanking.

Well, besides claiming its tanking or that its a sales failure, what actual facts do you have to show that is indeed the case?

Notice, were 4 months into the year of 2009 and these are the top 10 selling albums worldwide:


Best Selling Albums Worldwide in 2009
1. U2 No Line On The Horizon 2.502.000
2. Lady Gaga The Fame 1.482.000
3. Bruce Springsteen Working On A Dream 1.368.000
4. Beyoncé I Am... Sasha Fierce 1.363.000
5. Soundtrack Twilight 1.350.000
6. Kings Of Leon Only By The Night 1.345.000
7. Taylor Swift Fearless 1.280.000
8. Pink Funhouse 1.039.000
9. Nickelback Dark Horse 1.002.000
10. Britney Spears Circus 976.000


Once we get to the 6 month mark the first week of July, No Line On The Horizon is still going to be the #1 selling album of the year at that point. The #2 album of the year so far has sold 40% less than NLOTH.

Where is the sales failure here?

It's a fact that only 30% of the North American shows on the 360 tour have sold out.

What percentage of the Joshua Tree Stadium shows, ZOO TV Outside Broadcast stadium shows were soldout after only 3 weeks of being on sale? Also remember that those shows in 1987 and 1992 were playing the stadiums in a 270 configuration, not 360 like U2 is playing. When you expand the capacity for a single show, its more difficult to sellout. When was the last time an artist did a 100 date Stadium tour in the round?

And it's a fact that every single week TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars are grossed by THOUSANDS of touring acts all over the world, despite the current recession...and hence MANY major touring artists aren't suffering whatsoever from it.

Just because there were people who actually continued to make money during the GREAT DEPRESSION does not mean they were not impacted by it. With a strong economy instead of a recession, the vast majority of business's, at every level and in every industry, make more money.

 

[CosmoKramer]

It's a fact that NLOTH is tanking.

It's a fact that only 30% of the North American shows on the 360 tour have sold out.

It's a fact that just about everyone here has used every excuse in the book to explain why NLOTH isn't selling better than it has or why only some of the shows on the North American leg of the 360 tour have sold out.

And it's a fact that every single week TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars are grossed by THOUSANDS of touring acts all over the world, despite the current recession...and hence MANY major touring artists aren't suffering whatsoever from it.

Its not a fact that it is tanking. Its only April and Magnificent is just starting to take off. Add the tour and this album may end up being a double/triple platinum success.

 

[BVS]

When you write it over and over in annoying font it makes it fact. Don't you guys know anything?

 

[dopper]

Don't worry Dopper, the Billboard Boxscores for each show will be posted on Billboard.com and in Billboard magazine this fall, usually each week after the show is played. We'll see who's prediction was closest to the real results then.

How's your prediction that NLOTH will average 30K copies a week until Thanksgiving going? It probably won't see 30K ever again.

 

[dopper]

What's monday morning quarterback?

One who criticizes or passes judgment from a position of hindsight. In the U.S. most pro football games are played on Sunday and a Monday morning quarterback is someone who says "I would have done this or that and we would have won." In other words there are people here who waited until after the tickets went on sale to declare "I knew it would sell well, blah blah blah."

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Moggio predictions and statements over the past few months:

at the prices they're charging nowadays, u2 aren't popular enough to fill stadiums in most north american markets. When they hit the road again next year, they probably will include some stadium gigs in about a dozen or so of their largest north american markets. But a full stadium tour won't happen, unless, they a) drastically reduce the stadium capacities or b) don't care if most of the shows don't sell out. But considering what happened with the popmart tour in 1997-1998, i think they do care and want all shows sold out.

and the tour will gross around $375 million. However, if they do tour outside of north america & uk/europe and hit south america, australia, new zealand & japan, the tour will gross about $475 million...

this summer, madonna just grossed over $116 million usd from only 17 uk/european shows. That works out to be nearly $7 million per show.

U2 can't do that.

Once again, madonna grosses more than u2 in most markets both have played in.

So what? Madonna grosses more than u2 in most markets worldwide that they have both played in. Period.

markets in which u2's grosses have remained basically stagnant since the 90s:

~ dallas
~ houston (the 2005 show doesn't count because there was no austin/san antonio show)

what the hell are they going to do if they want to hit these above listed markets? Or are they going to skip them? Because at the prices they're charging nowadays, they won't even be able to sell out arena shows (or just barely in some cities) in these areas.

They'd still struggle to sell 25,000 tix in any of the midwestern and southern us markets i mentioned in my previous post.

Can you say popmart?

originally posted by lukea
atlanta- georgia dome
denver- invesco field
washington dc- fedex field

those venues are too big. Their capacities are in the 70-75,000 range. These above markets won't gross more than $4-$4.5 million each..

Moggio predictions for U2 360 in North America:

City/Venue/Capacity/Tickets Sold/Gross/Average Ticket Price

October

1 Charlottesville, VA - Scott Stadium (attendance: 31,000/ GROSS: $2 million/$65)
3 Raleigh - Carter Finley Stadium (attendance: 31,000/ GROSS: $2 million/$65)
12 Dallas - Cowboys Stadium (attendance: 28,000/ GROSS: $1.8 million/$65)
14 Houston - Reliant Stadium (attendance: 31,000/ GROSS:$2 million/$65)
19 Norman, OK (Oklahoma City area) - University Memorial Stadium (attendance: 31,000/ GROSS: $2 million/$65)

Madonna's '08 Sweet & Sticky tour grossed $270+ million, from only 58 shows. Later this year, Madonna is extending her current tour and will play 25-30 shows in the UK/Europe (and possibly Australia, where she'll DESTROY U2). This will add $100+ million to her overall tour gross. That's a total gross of nearly $400 million from less than 90 shows.

Whereas, U2's '05-'06 Vertigo tour grossed $389 million from 131 shows.

Get it?

But let's get real here, all you're essentially doing is trying to throw the attention away from the FACT that, overall, Madonna is a larger draw than U2.

PISHA: How much do you reckon that U2 will gross with their next tour?.

HUR: $600 million


MOGGIO: Definitely not.

A 100 date tour would gross close to $400 million

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

How's your prediction that NLOTH will average 30K copies a week until Thanksgiving going? It probably won't see 30K ever again.

I don't think thats going to happen, but NLOTH will still finish in the top 10 in the USA and Worldwide at the end of the year, which was my main prediction on that front.

 

[ramblin rose]

Moggio predictions and statements over the past few months:

I think the further reality gets from his predictions the more upset he gets.

 

[Moggio]

Once again, you know who takes parts of some of my previous posts and sets them up, OUT OF CONTEXT.

What a HUGE surprise...

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Once again, you know who takes parts of some of my previous posts and sets them up, OUT OF CONTEXT.

So which predictions and statements are "out of context"?

The claim that Madonna is a bigger drawing artist than U2 and can beat U2 in just about any market?

The claim that U2 will only gross $375 to $475 million on the new tour and that there is no way they could gross $600 million on the tour?

The claim that U2 will only play to 28,000 people in Dallas, 31,000 in Houston, 31,000 in Raleigh, 31,000 in Norman, or 31,000 in Charlottesville?