Anything else? And how do you know if it was off-air. Were you in some sort of audience or the interviewer even?
Edit: Never mind, I gathered from another thread that you were in the audience. That's pretty amazing, bub.
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Anything else? And how do you know if it was off-air. Were you in some sort of audience or the interviewer even?
Edit: Never mind, I gathered from another thread that you were in the audience. That's pretty amazing, bub.
They are
And sure, that statement may as well have been on wikipedia with how reliable u2.com is
If it was in a quote from a band member, I would be wuite happy to admit it, but it seems that whoever wrote that piece was making an ASSUMPTION.
No U2.com don't get it right in their press releases, they're all bunch of f***king amateurs.
Do you actually know what is involved in the process of writing a press release? Believe me a U2.com press release is not going to be written by some junior clerk making assumptions.
What is obvious is that Tripoli evolved into Being Born. This doesn't mean they have to be identical though, kind of like how Xanax & Wine became Fast Cars.
Chromium Chords could be another name for Being Born/Tripoli. For instance Stand Up Comedy was originally called For Your Love then Stand Up.
They change their song titles a lot, most of the songs on the album have undergone a name change/s. Even Bono acknowledges their frequent name changes:
To me it seems highly unlikely that they would have two distinct songs (both experimental fare) about a French Moroccan cop going on a motorcycle ride.
You're basing your theories, on the notion that Tripoli is some song heard in a Lanois documentary, because someone said "I feel like I can hear him sing....Tripoli". It could be something completely different, a lot of other words sound like 'Tripoli'.
Also it could be just a random jam session, that didn't become any son. It could of course actually had been a part of 'Tripoli' (or Fez) that was discarded as the song evolved into Fez-Being Born.
People only got confused between White as Snow and Winter because previewers were reporting both as acoustic ballads set in Afghanistan. Winter is clearly not an acoustic ballad so the previewers were wrong (or confused themselves) or there were significant changes made to Winter.
While I understand why it's great to imagine that there are two separate songs called Tripoli and Being Born and that Tripoli will be on Songs of Ascent.
No amount of wishful thinking will make it a reality.
Achtung Billy
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That would be tremendous. I won't get too excited until I see a set release date (which we won't see for awhile), but I'm feeling pretty good about this news. Hopefully they don't get sidetracked or stuck in the studio reworking the songs, otherwise it could be some time before we see anything.
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I will dissect you post piece by piece.
It wasn't a press release, it was a news article. And yes, it may suprise you that someone as dumb as I actually works in Government. I don't mean I process social security checques, I mean I work for a Government Minister on his personal staff. I am well aware how press releases are written, and that they often use quotations and sources to form the evidence, and that these sources can sometimes prove to be incorrect. I notice that the part you allude to is not a direct quote.
From a musical perspective Xanax and Fast Cars are virtually identical. They are the same song, but one has distorted guitars as well and some extra lyrics. The Tripoli clip and Being Born are totally different songs.
Yes, but you haven't adressed the fact that both Chromium Chords AND Tripoli appear on the SAME running sheet. If it has changed names, why do they both appear at the same time?
You mean like how NLOTH has the lyric "I'm a traffic cop, rue de marais, the siren's wailing, but it's me that wants to get away" or how they made that movie that's about a french-morrocan cop on a motorcycle ride set to the entire album?
I am basing it PARTLY on this. My other piece of solid evidence is outlined above. With regards to this, it is mine, and many many other's perceptions that Tripoli is what he is saying. I refer to your above point that You doubted there would be two songs on the album about a french-morrocan traffic cop on an album about a french-morrocan traffic cop? Well, it is less likely that two songs exist that reference Tripoli. I am yet to find a person that thinks he doesn't say Tripoli. In fact I believe we all thought he said Tripoli before we knew there was a song called Tripoli.
Name more words that sound like Tripoli
Possible, but not probable. They are entirely in different keys, have different cadence, they are in no way similar enough to even suggest they were born of the same era.
Wrong again. Find me a quote that mentions that Winter is acoustic. It actually only says that it is set in an unspecified warzone. People made the mistake because they assumed that a song about snow was a song about winter.
No, very true. And by the same token, no amount of automatic, brainless contradiction will stop it form happening.
My point is, neither of us know for sure. While i am posting from the perpspective of, the evidence points to the fact that they are different, obviously that isn't gospel, but the evidence suggests it, you seem to be saying that this one press release from U2.com (the most unreliable band website on the net) which I note has been amended to NOT inculde what you refer to as the evidnce on the actual information on the album, is proof enough of god himself.
The evidence I am sighting is far more persuasive and volumous at this time. It doesn't mean I am 100% right, but it means I am more likely to be right.
And it appears from the previous posters that I have a bit of support on this.
It wasn't a press release, it was a news article. And yes, it may suprise you that someone as dumb as I actually works in Government. I don't mean I process social security checques, I mean I work for a Government Minister on his personal staff. I am well aware how press releases are written, and that they often use quotations and sources to form the evidence, and that these sources can sometimes prove to be incorrect. I notice that the part you allude to is not a direct quote.
From a musical perspective Xanax and Fast Cars are virtually identical. They are the same song, but one has distorted guitars as well and some extra lyrics. The Tripoli clip and Being Born are totally different songs.
Yes, but you haven't adressed the fact that both Chromium Chords AND Tripoli appear on the SAME running sheet. If it has changed names, why do they both appear at the same time?
You mean like how NLOTH has the lyric "I'm a traffic cop, rue de marais, the siren's wailing, but it's me that wants to get away" or how they made that movie that's about a french-morrocan cop on a motorcycle ride set to the entire album?
I am basing it PARTLY on this. My other piece of solid evidence is outlined above. With regards to this, it is mine, and many many other's perceptions that Tripoli is what he is saying. I refer to your above point that You doubted there would be two songs on the album about a french-morrocan traffic cop on an album about a french-morrocan traffic cop? Well, it is less likely that two songs exist that reference Tripoli. I am yet to find a person that thinks he doesn't say Tripoli. In fact I believe we all thought he said Tripoli before we knew there was a song called Tripoli.
Name more words that sound like Tripoli
Possible, but not probable. They are entirely in different keys, have different cadence, they are in no way similar enough to even suggest they were born of the same era.
Wrong again. Find me a quote that mentions that Winter is acoustic. It actually only says that it is set in an unspecified warzone. People made the mistake because they assumed that a song about snow was a song about winter.
No, very true. And by the same token, no amount of automatic, brainless contradiction will stop it form happening.
My point is, neither of us know for sure. While i am posting from the perpspective of, the evidence points to the fact that they are different, obviously that isn't gospel, but the evidence suggests it, you seem to be saying that this one press release from U2.com (the most unreliable band website on the net) which I note has been amended to NOT inculde what you refer to as the evidnce on the actual information on the album, is proof enough of god himself.
The evidence I am sighting is far more persuasive and volumous at this time. It doesn't mean I am 100% right, but it means I am more likely to be right.
And it appears from the previous posters that I have a bit of support on this.
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Thanks for taking the time to break that down, Dan.
dan_smee
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closed-mindedness is frustrating to me.
I accept that they may be the same song. I believe that they are not. I have given reasons.
I don't see how I've done anything wrong, less done anything to referred to as stupid?
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Im kind of on the fence about this.U2.com did clearly confirm that Tripoli became Fez/Being Born.But to me it is really two songs in one.Know we have heard Chromium Chords in Being Born.We also heard words about the Morrocan french cop motorcycle in Being Born.Its possible this could be Tripoli in a different form.However what the other post who said that you cant hear Bono say Tripoli on the Hear Is What Is clips thats not true.If you listen closely it sounds like Bono is singing:
"Day and Night and War and Peace and Waaaaaaarrrrrr Like I Feel Like I Know in old TRIPOLI!
And this is clearly in a different key and tempo and I personally liked what Bono was playing on that guitar and what he was singing.So in my final conclusion all I can say is that even I am not 100% convinced that they are the same song but if Tripoli did become Being Born then at the very least its in a entirely different form and not what was on Here Is What Is.
"Day and Night and War and Peace and Waaaaaaarrrrrr Like I Feel Like I Know in old TRIPOLI!
And this is clearly in a different key and tempo and I personally liked what Bono was playing on that guitar and what he was singing.So in my final conclusion all I can say is that even I am not 100% convinced that they are the same song but if Tripoli did become Being Born then at the very least its in a entirely different form and not what was on Here Is What Is.
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The other problem I have with Tripoli turning into Being Born is that if you look on the map at the bottom of Spain where the Bay of Cadiz is, it's across from Tangier, and then further down you see Fez, both in Morocco.
Tripoli (shown as Tarabulus), on the other hand, is WAY east of there, in Libya and closer to the bottom of Italy.
So whether or not Tripoli was supposed to continue the story of the motorcycle cop, why the hell would it have ever been called that if it's about him going down to the tip of Spain to go home?
What's likely is that Bono himself, or the journalist interviewing him, mixed up the stories for separate songs. Perhaps Tripoli was something else featuring the war correspondent from Cedars of Lebanon. But either way, the lyrical content of Being Born/Chromium Chords has no geographical connection to Tripoli the place.
Tripoli (shown as Tarabulus), on the other hand, is WAY east of there, in Libya and closer to the bottom of Italy.
So whether or not Tripoli was supposed to continue the story of the motorcycle cop, why the hell would it have ever been called that if it's about him going down to the tip of Spain to go home?
What's likely is that Bono himself, or the journalist interviewing him, mixed up the stories for separate songs. Perhaps Tripoli was something else featuring the war correspondent from Cedars of Lebanon. But either way, the lyrical content of Being Born/Chromium Chords has no geographical connection to Tripoli the place.
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i swear I read somewhere that Tripoli was the guy's name.
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Also, the quotes about Tripoli from the U2.com article mentioned earlier is almost verbatim to what was in the Q article. It describes the song as being about the motorcycle cop traveling through Spain to get to Morocco. So already you can see it doesn't make sense. A possible misquote, or as I mentioned, a mistake on Bono's part.
The Rolling Stone describes Tripoli as such:
"This strikingly experimental song lurches between disparate styles, including near-operatic choral music, Zooropa-style electronics, and churning arena rock."
Now people hear the Zooropa mention and immediately think of the Fez intro with the sound collage. But neither this section, nor the following atmospheric Unforgettable Fire-style guitar stuff doesn't really translate to me as "operatic choral music", and NOWHERE in that song do I hear anything resembling arena rock. So I'm not sure this sonic description fits what's on the album.
The Rolling Stone describes Tripoli as such:
"This strikingly experimental song lurches between disparate styles, including near-operatic choral music, Zooropa-style electronics, and churning arena rock."
Now people hear the Zooropa mention and immediately think of the Fez intro with the sound collage. But neither this section, nor the following atmospheric Unforgettable Fire-style guitar stuff doesn't really translate to me as "operatic choral music", and NOWHERE in that song do I hear anything resembling arena rock. So I'm not sure this sonic description fits what's on the album.
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But the quote about Tripoli lyrics that mention Cadiz (as FBB also does) is a direct one from Bono in the article. Not a mix-up by an interviewer, these are Bono's words. Yes, Bono gets a lot of things mixed up, so he could be talking out his ass, but we have no proof either way. We have no proof for anything concerning the titles, other than that they were once titles for SOMETHING.
The clip with Bono singing and strumming the guitar has absolutely no context around it either besides that it's during the Morocco session. So we cannot use it as any evidence either way. Yeah, so what if it says "Tripoli" in the lyric? It could be an early concept of what now is called FBB. It could be something Bono fucked around with before they even called a song Chromium Chords. What if it's a bridge or an alternate intro or just some skeleton sketch of a different song. It could be any of those. So what if the song is in a different key or tempo? Unknown Caller was MUCH faster in it's first stages than it came to be, so what does that prove? Nothing, just that songs can change dramatically. The bono clip could be a song we never heard (titled tripoli perhaps) or it could be an early FBB, something that didn't make it past an hour in their courtyard studio, or numerous other things. Anyone who says it points more towards one end is just desperate to be right and win an argument. Simple as that. Only the band knows for sure, and even they hardly ever remember details.
The clip with Bono singing and strumming the guitar has absolutely no context around it either besides that it's during the Morocco session. So we cannot use it as any evidence either way. Yeah, so what if it says "Tripoli" in the lyric? It could be an early concept of what now is called FBB. It could be something Bono fucked around with before they even called a song Chromium Chords. What if it's a bridge or an alternate intro or just some skeleton sketch of a different song. It could be any of those. So what if the song is in a different key or tempo? Unknown Caller was MUCH faster in it's first stages than it came to be, so what does that prove? Nothing, just that songs can change dramatically. The bono clip could be a song we never heard (titled tripoli perhaps) or it could be an early FBB, something that didn't make it past an hour in their courtyard studio, or numerous other things. Anyone who says it points more towards one end is just desperate to be right and win an argument. Simple as that. Only the band knows for sure, and even they hardly ever remember details.
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The first article (USA today?) that even mentioned the phrase "no line on the horizon" also talked about a song that was possibly going to open the album, that started with the lyric "It's six o'clock".
Rolling Stone mentioned Tripoli as a song that might open the album.
I think they could have been describing the choral piece (probably 4 voices but not singing harmony/more like chant) in Being Born but it's certainly not "operatic".
I would hope that Tripoli is different but I am not so sure.
That last minute Iovine visit must have been a bastard for fans like me.
They were worried about it being too long and it doesn't even span an hour. For shame.
Personally, I think they gutted Tripoli, cut Chromium Chords down and made it Fez-Being Born. That's just my guess.
Rolling Stone mentioned Tripoli as a song that might open the album.
I think they could have been describing the choral piece (probably 4 voices but not singing harmony/more like chant) in Being Born but it's certainly not "operatic".
I would hope that Tripoli is different but I am not so sure.
That last minute Iovine visit must have been a bastard for fans like me.
They were worried about it being too long and it doesn't even span an hour. For shame.
Personally, I think they gutted Tripoli, cut Chromium Chords down and made it Fez-Being Born. That's just my guess.
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If you're right, and I suspect that you are, then that is really heartbreaking. I love FEZ - being born, but if the FEZ part had been extended and left as a seperate entity it could have been one of their greatest tracks.
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My point is, why would Bono still be calling the song Tripoli if it has NOTHING to do with that location? The cop isn't from there, he isn't going there.
Are you saying it's impossible for someone to be misquoted? And again, it's certainly not far-fetched for Bono to have mixed a couple songs up.
What we do have proof of is that the cities are roughly a thousand miles apart. You think Miami could have ever morphed into New York?
dan_smee
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Bono was calling the song Tripoli in December last year, when the RS interview was conducted, which we also discovered was after the Q interview. The Gavin Friday video with the whiteboard was mid-late December.
Are you F-BB=Tripoliers telling me that in a week they completely changed the song, took out any reference to Tripoli, changed the locations from Libya near Italy to Cadiz in Spain.
I mean, it defies all human logic.
For F-BB to = Tripoli they would have to have done all of that within a week. The same week that they apprently wrote two more songs, change various others etc.
But yeah, guys, don't show your ignorance at the concept of the world community or global geography by not understanding that just because Fez and Tripoli are cities in Europe/North Africa, that they are the same song
Are you F-BB=Tripoliers telling me that in a week they completely changed the song, took out any reference to Tripoli, changed the locations from Libya near Italy to Cadiz in Spain.
I mean, it defies all human logic.
For F-BB to = Tripoli they would have to have done all of that within a week. The same week that they apprently wrote two more songs, change various others etc.
But yeah, guys, don't show your ignorance at the concept of the world community or global geography by not understanding that just because Fez and Tripoli are cities in Europe/North Africa, that they are the same song
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Wow, you're serious.
I still doubt that a song called Tripoli (completely unrelated to F:BB) would surface, it is very likely that the song in the Lanois doco which you think is Tripoli, is another improvisation or rough sketch.
Probably just the band having a bit of fun and trying to see what they can come up with. Sort of like their performance of "Til Your Well Runs Dry', they probably created and tinkered with dozens of pieces of music to try and find some gold.
Tripoli has also been mentioned in a preview ages ago as opening with 'six o clock'. Which would indicate it is similar to Being Born.
And Winter was called an acoustic ballad, by Q:
Interestingly Winter as on Linear makes no mention of snow, but rather being as 'hot as hell'. So this description would match White as Snow quite well
And too much emphasis should not be placed on geographic analysis, it is likely that Bono just chose Cadiz and Tripoli because they sound interesting.
dan_smee
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You are still not willing to concede any ground? None at all, given that the weight of evidence and popular opinions are against you?
The quote above is just wrong. There has NEVER been an instance of Tripoli being linked to the 'it's 6 o'clock' lyric. NEVER. That song was unamed in the sundance article. Further proof of your desperation to hold onto your point in the face of logic and reason.
The great thing about my position now is that unless someone from the band categorically states that Tripoli IS Fez-Being Born, I can't be proven wrong. If it surfaces on the next album, I was right, if it doesn't, well, for all we know it went the way of Mercy.
I am shocked that you can casually ignore every last piece of evidence I have presented to you, and dismiss solid logical arguments for your own brand of hearsay and conjecture.
Perhaps bullet points would help.
The facts are simple:
Chromium Chords was confirmed as the precursor to F-BB
Tripoli and Chromium Chords are listed on the same running sheet as separate songs in a studio photo
Tripoli and Cadiz (subject matter for the song F-BB) are 100's of miles apart, in different countries.
Your point about the cop is countered by the fact that a number of the songs are about him
The song Tripoli has obviously existed since Fez (HIWI clip), in a form VASTLY idfferent lyrically and sonically to F-BB
F-BB has been around since the sundance film festival interview still opening WITH THE SAME LYRIC (not much change going on there).
The logical conclusion to draw is that while they COULD be the same song, there is no guarentee that they are, and it is far more likely that they aren't.
The U2.com article you point to is old, and the NLOTH album page on U2.com has the same segment of text, EXCEPT the bit where it said Tripoli became F-BB is CUT OUT, leading me and others to believe this was the writer joining the same dots as you, and finding out his assumptions were erroneous.
Not bad for a guy 'not smart enough' to work out something that is obviously not confirmed is gospel.
Your superior attitude, blind indignation and inability to look at a situation in a logical and objective manner render me utterly offended by your earlier jibe. Someone who has such a rudimentary capacity for logical thought calling me stupid is frankly horrendous.
Shame
Why do you insist U2.com is wrong? and instead offer up an unlikely scenario supported by fragmented evidence from many different sources of differing veracity.
It is far more likely that U2.com's statement is correct and one or more of your fragments of evidence is either out of context, misquoted or just wrong.
Do people really so desperately want to believe that there are two songs?
In simple logic:
Even if you disregard the fact that an official statement by U2.com says otherwise;
Is it likely that they have two distinct songs (both experimental ones too) about a Morrocan cop going AWOL?
Are they suddenly all out of ideas ?
Bono himself was reported saying the following in a Q preview:
Now that exactly fits the description of Being Born; which mentions Cadiz, a motorcycle ride, the separating sea, burning etc.
So basically you're saying that there are two, separate songs that both contain all those elements?
Furthermore notice Bono doesn't pay much attention to geography, as the song's title is Tripoli but mentions Cadiz. He sings about whatever sounds interesting and seems to fit the bill.
And song in the Lanois doco, might not be a song called Tripoli, it has not beem confirmed as such, and yet you use it as the basis of your argument that there are two songs, and then try to find evidence that supports this theory (made on a unfounded assumption). Why doesn't someone post this song so we can all interpret what it may be.
But if people really want to believe in two songs, then that's fine too.
However, you better be there when it isn't on Songs of Ascent and all the angry fans come knocking.
Another factor to consider that the Tripoli of the song may not have anything to do with Libya i.e. it could be the Tripoli in Lebanon (there is a song called Cedars of Lebanon). We did have a war not so long ago in the vicinity of that Tripoli in Lebanon.
We really don't know what has happened to that "Old Tripoli" clip from Dan Lanois' doco. So lets wait and see.
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Because they are infamously unreliable, and they have recinded the comment.
No, the album was originally a concept album. You have once again ignored my very blunt allusions to the fact that the song NLOTH is about this very topic, and the film Linear ties all of the songs together around this very topic.
(to everyone else, is it really this fucking hard???)
Yes. As are many other people who believe in what I am saying.
Haha, yeah you're right, Bono is singing Tripoli, but he means Cadiz. That's why that song they wrote, Miami is actually about Boston. And that other one, New York is about Baton Rouge.
YouTube - U2 work for the new album in Fez by U2Place.com
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I have addressed this before. It is not the basis of my arguement. It just supports what I am saying. And there are no interpretations to the contrary.
This is where you fall apart. I have said NUMEROUS times, but you again show your lack of comprhension in reading my posts, that I am not claiming that my way of thinking is the 100% right answer. I am saying that it is more logical than yours. You are saying you are 100% right.
I also mentioned in my last post that if it doesn't show up, it proves nothing, as we have seen with Mercy. Or do you believe that Mercy is actually City of Blinding Lights?
Q: The next track is I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight.
A: That started out as an Eno contribution. It was called Diorama.
Q: That's a very Eno-esque title.
A: Yeah. It always had a great vibe to it. In our absence, the U2 lads reworked the song and it became what you are hearing now.
Q: They took it away from Fez and redid it?
A: We have an open license to turn things upside down, keep one part from one, move it to another.
(^ recent interview with Dan Lanois)
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Here is what Lanois says about our wonderful discussion about track 8
Q: Getting back to Fez, that's the title of this next song: Fez – Being Born. It's quite lovely.
A: The Edge had a kind of symphonic guitar little moment that was free time. And I always liked the sound of it so I took that and chopped it into a tempo and presented that back to the band. I used one of Eno's beats and I kind of created an arrangement out of what was a free wheel but it always had a great sound. On the strength of that sonic I persisted with that piece. Bono thought that it had this feeling like it was almost something coming to life. Like a flower opening or coming into the world and then into the Being Born section. That's the high speed rhythmic part. We had a vibe very early on, so we married those two tracks together after the fact.
Q: As a producer did you hear a natural fit there, or were these two tracks written to be put together eventually?
A: No, I put them in the same key, anticipating that they might live together. I always look for outstanding transitions like that. They can't be taken for granted - they have to be designed and thought of scientifically. I love that triplet - it's something I created in my editing process, then the downbeat. Then the main song. I think it's a fantastic transitional moment.
Q: Getting back to Fez, that's the title of this next song: Fez – Being Born. It's quite lovely.
A: The Edge had a kind of symphonic guitar little moment that was free time. And I always liked the sound of it so I took that and chopped it into a tempo and presented that back to the band. I used one of Eno's beats and I kind of created an arrangement out of what was a free wheel but it always had a great sound. On the strength of that sonic I persisted with that piece. Bono thought that it had this feeling like it was almost something coming to life. Like a flower opening or coming into the world and then into the Being Born section. That's the high speed rhythmic part. We had a vibe very early on, so we married those two tracks together after the fact.
Q: As a producer did you hear a natural fit there, or were these two tracks written to be put together eventually?
A: No, I put them in the same key, anticipating that they might live together. I always look for outstanding transitions like that. They can't be taken for granted - they have to be designed and thought of scientifically. I love that triplet - it's something I created in my editing process, then the downbeat. Then the main song. I think it's a fantastic transitional moment.
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If that is the case, the one in Lebanon is even FURTHER away from Morocco.
And the one in Libya isn't "hundreds" of miles away from Fez, it's more like a THOUSAND miles away.
Bono knows enough about the Middle East and Africa to not be confusing those two places, believe me.
And remember, I suggested that the song could have been another one featuring the narrator of Cedars of Lebanon, so the "other" Tripoli would fit into that possibility as well.
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I think Sean O'Hagan heard Tripoli too but he doesn't have an email that I saw posted.
Given that they sat there and talked about in pretty decent detail (especially Bono) and didn't mention that it was called Tripoli at one time...maybe it is a different song. I hope so.
Given that they sat there and talked about in pretty decent detail (especially Bono) and didn't mention that it was called Tripoli at one time...maybe it is a different song. I hope so.
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From the Sean O'Hagan talks: "The album has developed, he says, into a kind of "fractured journey, a physical journey from Paris to Tripoli via Cadiz, but also an emotional and psychological journey". It sounds, I say, like a concept album. "Don't even mention those words," he says. "
Here Bono mentions the entire trip, at least in the moment the notes were taken. Bono obviously has had the journey in his head for a while as they recorded the album. To him it's perfectly logical to go on a trip to Tripoli from Paris, and through Cadiz, even if the lyrics don't mention the whole idea. So the reasoning that someone must be quoting him wrong, because the geography doesn't make sense to the song is just drawing your own conclusion. If it makes sense to Bono, then we have to take his word for it, and not just assume he is an idiot and can't read a map.
The logistics of the trip clearly didn't matter to him, just the idea of going from France, to Spain, to Tripoli in Africa. And when you look at that trip on a map, it doesn't seem like a stretch at all in the context of the song (much less the album). Especially considering that the trip also could go through Fès in Morocco after he gets through Cadiz, which very well could be the reason for the FEZ title change from Tripoli. He never mentions Paris in the song except for an "autoroute", yet he still says that is what the starting city is, so it's not wild to think he could have left out the ending city in the song that was titled as such. The point is, who's to know? Does anything U2 do make complete sense? All we have is what the band tells us, and still everyone is talking in absolutes as if they know the truth. None of us do.
here are different quotes of the band talking about the song
Thanks very much. From where is this? I'd like to buy it.
dan_smee
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2 things
a) im not talking in absolutes. I have stated a number of times that noone knows, all we can do is look at the facts we know and derive what knowledge we can.
b) doesn't the fact that its to Tripoli via Cadiz make it more likely that Tripoli will be on album 2 which is a sister album to NLOTH about pilgrimage? In Being Born, he obviously only goes to Cadiz. Maybe Tripoli is the next song, the progression of the journey. He moves on from Cadiz, a stopover on is journey, and off to his final destiation, Tripoli. The fact we have another album about pilgrimage suggests to me that some of the themes would be recurring
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