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Old 01-22-2009, 05:05 PM   #196
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I don't think they're going to, because that seems to be the basis of what's going to ultimately provide answers...
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Old 01-22-2009, 06:50 PM   #197
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Slow down for a sec. The show has most definitely changed. Of course there have been theories and myth-building since day one. That was never the primary agenda of the show though. What made the show great from the beginning was the emphasis on building characters and their relationships. Of course they would do that by placing them in situations within the main storyline that subsequently built up the mythology, but the show always made sure they told engaging, insightful character pieces within each episode, and in the best cases, the characters' personal journeys would reflect (and in turn elaborate on) the wider narrative arc. Of course the pace was slower under this design (which drove the mythology-whores nuts, especially in season 3) but I personally feel the show was better for it.

Now it seems to have moved the emphasis towards concluding the wider narrative arc and finishing the myth-building, characters secondary. I mean since the end of season 3, outside of a handful of cases, have we really learned or felt anything significant new about any of these people we've spent 4 years watching? Not really. As a result, the episodes for the most part have also moved to a more haphazard design that cuts between a far greater number of groups and individual plot threads at the same time. Apparently we need to know everything that's happening in this show all at the same time. I know a lot of people have no problem with this, and that's fine. For my time though, I think it's a lousy way to do things.

I totally see where your coming from here and I too am missing the charcter development. But becuse the character development has been done so well from past seasons, it's now interesting for me still to watch and see how all these stories/developmnets/experiences now merge and combine with one another to form a very complex and interesting story.

As far as trying to understand what in the hell is going on, I think this season will be the most interesting of all to go back and watch. Hell, I'm still trying to udnerstand what happened (or what will happen) based on the story development in the premiere.
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Old 01-23-2009, 12:03 AM   #198
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Something that occurred to me when I was watching it, and just came back to me now was Kate and Sun's conversation. When Sun was recounting events on the freighter, she said to Kate "I don't blame you." I don't know if it was a subtle change in her tone or body language, but I got a distinct deceptive vibe. If she really does blame Kate, does that make Kate the second person along with Ben that she holds responsible for Jin's death? If this is the case, does that prove she's working with Widmore, or is she acting solely for her own reasons? Last season, I was convinced that she wasn't being sincere with Widmore, that she was setting him up. Now I don't know.
Sun does seem a little dark. In the recap one of the producers said that Sun believes Jin is dead, not that Jin is dead.

That was all very confusing.
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Old 01-23-2009, 08:44 AM   #199
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Sun does seem a little dark. In the recap one of the producers said that Sun believes Jin is dead, not that Jin is dead.

That was all very confusing.
Yeah, I caught that too, and noted the wording of it. Knowing them, I'm sure it was intentional.

I thought right from the time the freighter exploded that things were being set up for a big reunion before the end of the series.

Also, I was reading something last night that made me remember that something I wrote in the post you quoted was incorrect. Her father was the one she said she blamed along with an unknown second person, not Ben. I think we're supposed to assume it's Ben, but now they've thrown the Kate thing into the mix.

They're definitely writing her character very ambiguously.
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:45 AM   #200
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Sun does seem a little dark. In the recap one of the producers said that Sun believes Jin is dead, not that Jin is dead.
I caught that, too.

I was wondering if Sun blames Jack. I have to go back and watch the episode again but I believe after she told Kate she doesn't blame her, she said, "So, how's Jack?" It was a little creepy. I got the impression she might blame Jack - he's the one who practically dragged Kate back to the helicopter and kept insisting that they couldn't turn around, it was too late, etc. I love the new dark side of her character.
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But Sun probably knows there was no way to have saved him at that point. Ben really is the other one responsible, because he killed Keamy without regard for the people on the boat. Of course Locke would have had to tell her about it.
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I caught that, too.

I was wondering if Sun blames Jack. I have to go back and watch the episode again but I believe after she told Kate she doesn't blame her, she said, "So, how's Jack?" It was a little creepy. I got the impression she might blame Jack - he's the one who practically dragged Kate back to the helicopter and kept insisting that they couldn't turn around, it was too late, etc. I love the new dark side of her character.
Both my wife and I laughed a little on that part......a little foreshadowing perhaps? I have no idea how they are going to get her to go back with them to the island....unless Jin is there.
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Something I found curious last night--Richard Alpert told Locke that when he saw him the next time, he wouldn't know him, and to show him the compass. Well what happened to that episode when Alpert visited him in various stages of Locke's life to see if he was "ready"?

Doesn't really add up.
Could be that the next time Locke will see him will be, in fact, before any of those meetings occurred. Just my two cents.
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By the way, I thought the episodes were good. Not amazing. Just good.
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Old 01-25-2009, 01:01 PM   #209
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I'm not going to read any of this but just wanted to say I only started watching this show last week. I'm almost done Season 1 and it's fantastic (although it took a few episodes for me to be really hooked)
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Watched the 2 episodes tonight. Really hooked for next week's show.
Answered somethings, I think, but it brought out more questions.

Looks like I'm going to spend the next few nights reading Lostpedia
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