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Old 07-23-2005, 09:58 AM   #46
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thank you guys/gals. This thread is a great topic and im sorry for being part of the reason to side track it.
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You think the only kids who get bullied are the gays ones. Kids who are fat or dont have the "in" look get beat up and harassed too.


um, have i ever, anywhere, said that "only gay kids get bullied"?

no.

do gay kids kill themselves at much higher rates than other kids -- fat, ugly, smart, whatever?

without question.
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um, have i ever, anywhere, said that "only gay kids get bullied"?

no.

do gay kids kill themselves at much higher rates than other kids -- fat, ugly, smart, whatever?

without question.
it just seems that since every one of your threads is about the gay community(9out of 10) that i assumed with your demeanor about my replies that assume gays are the only one with problems. they are not.
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this reminds me of the time my best friend told me he used to be gay. a year later he killed himself.

i hope that program gets shut down.
. I'm sorry to hear that.

Same goes with the crap your friend went through, MissMoo. That's good that he's doing better now .

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no one else ihothrowing statistics around. I dont feel i should either. I was just throwing my opinion in here. Sorry you dont agree with it.

Way to leave out the facts in the middle of the post.
There. I left your post intact.

Your opinion may be yours, but just because you think it, doesn't make it true.
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can't believe in the world there are relly places like this one.
I live in Italy, and I heard about this story a few days ago in a free newspaper. I couldn't believe my eyes!
How can a place like this exist?
What about freedom of express oneself?
What about the freedom of having a consensual relation with a person of your own sex?
I'm scared when I read things like this... I just can't help thinking how the people confined there will be when they come out, brainwashed or something like that.
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it just seems that since every one of your threads is about the gay community(9out of 10) that i assumed with your demeanor about my replies that assume gays are the only one with problems. they are not.


i'm sorry for starting threads that are of concern and importance to me, as well as to the political agenda of the GOP. gay issues are currently "hot" topics, and if you don't want to read about them, then don't read the threads.

however, if you'll look around, you'll see that i post and start threads on a wide variety of topics and have been doing so since i started posting in here. people can accuse me of many things, but one thing that i don't think i can be accused of is seeing a very simple reality -- i.e., "gays are the only ones with problems."
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i'm sorry for starting threads that are of concern and importance to me, as well as to the political agenda of the GOP. gay issues are currently "hot" topics, and if you don't want to read about them, then don't read the threads.

however, if you'll look around, you'll see that i post and start threads on a wide variety of topics and have been doing so since i started posting in here. people can accuse me of many things, but one thing that i don't think i can be accused of is seeing a very simple reality -- i.e., "gays are the only ones with problems."

OK, you may write about whatever you wish. And you may even be an asshole to me like you were earlier thats cool. Thats what makes FYM a great place.
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What about freedom of express oneself?
What about the freedom of having a consensual relation with a person of your own sex?
That doesn't mean anything to the people who run these kinds of places. They're too concerned with butting their noses into a part of people's lives that should be nobody else's beeswax to begin with.

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Awful!!!
Indeed. Like you said, it's quite scary that there are places like this around.

Also, TheBrush, I don't think Irvine's trying to come off like an "asshole". Just very opinionated, is all, as well as frustrated.

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That doesn't mean anything to the people who run these kinds of places. They're too concerned with butting their noses into a part of people's lives that should be nobody else's beeswax to begin with.



Indeed. Like you said, it's quite scary that there are places like this around.

Also, TheBrush, I don't think Irvine's trying to come off like an "asshole". Just very opinionated, is all, as well as frustrated.

Angela

yea i guess when rereading his posts i could see your point. But the grammar thing was pretty "assholish"

-Dude i know thats not a word either
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OK, you may write about whatever you wish. And you may even be an asshole to me like you were earlier thats cool. Thats what makes FYM a great place.


i'm sorry if i came off that way, but i was irritated for you to (in my reading) minimize the issue of gay youth suicide, particularly in this thread which is dealing with a gay youth who, if you had read my earlier thread on this subject, had posted on his blog that he was miserable and wanted to die and had thoughts of killing both himself and his mother for having sent him to this ex-gay camp. then, someone comes around and tosses the word "faggot" into the mix, and then it devolved into some schoolyard name calling (which may or may not have been ironic ... hard to tell), and then i wanted to point out that most middle and high schools are terribly, terribly homophobic where "gay" is the second most common insult after "stupid" and that i grew up in such a place (in relatively liberal connecticut) and this contributes, directly, to most gay youth suicides. of course there's a multitude of reasons why a gay kid might kill himself; that's pretty obvious. it's never as linear as "i'm gay, let's go slash my wrists." it's more along the lines of "i'm gay, and my parents will be really upset and my friends might ditch me and who will i bring with to prom and how much longer until i can get out of this town and go to a city and what if i can't and what if my parents find out and where do i go and what do i do and who do i talk to and i'm feeling so left behind and isolated and lonely and retarded and maladjusted as my friends are all dating and i'm going through the motions but it's all pantomime and i just don't see how i could ever be gay because gay is a bad thing and i hear that gay is bad from my parents and from politicians on the TV and from all the people in my church and i play baseball and whenever someone fucks up a play we say that they were being a faggot and there are skinny effeminate kids who are beaten up at school and called faggot and i'm not one of them and i'd rather be dead than like that and there's just nowhere for me to go or to turn to and i don't see a way out."

which is why i'm going to start volunteering with a gay/bi/lesbian youth outreach program in August.

support for gay youth (along with gay adoption) are perhaps my two most sensitive gay related issues (gay marriage i believe in intellectually, but these other two are far, far more emotional) so i was probably a bit touchy.
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i totally understand. Everyone is touchy about things they believe in. I see where you are coming from, but obviously as a straight man never had to walk in your shoes or anyone else who has been mistreated by a stranger, friend, loved one because of their sexual preference I guess I could never really appreciate what that is like.

I too am sorry for judging what you post about. I have no reasons for my actions. I guess I just think that there has been substanial progress on gay rights and That everyones thinking was that its going the other way. I guess I just didnt get it and got frustrated. Anyway I actually find your posts intriguing and well thought out.

I hope were cool now.


OHHH and congrats on your youth group participation.

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i totally understand. Everyone is touchy about things they believe in. I see where you are coming from, but obviously as a straight man never had to walk in your shoes or anyone else who has been mistreated by a stranger, friend, loved one because of their sexual preference I guess I could never really appreciate what that is like.

I too am sorry for judging what you post about. I have no reasons for my actions. I guess I just think that there has been substanial progress on gay rights and That everyones thinking was that its going the other way. I guess I just didnt get it and got frustrated. Anyway I actually find your posts intriguing and well thought out.

I hope were cool now.


OHHH and congrats on your youth group participation.





all good.

i can come across a little strong at times -- something i should work on too.

and the grammar thing was really petty. sorry.
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which is why i'm going to start volunteering with a gay/bi/lesbian youth outreach program in August.
Those kids will benefit greatly from having you around.
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Is this for effin' real?!?!? Anybody else think of the movie "Saved" the minute they read this???
I did! I did! (Such a great movie!)
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