A_Wanderer
ONE love, blood, life
Yeah living for the now may be humble but I would still rather be master of my fate all the way into the future.
A_Wanderer said:Truth? Prove it.
Of course people can't prove these things because they cannot be proven or disproven, they are completely unfalsifiable and should not be taken as givens.
A_Wanderer said:
So all "souls" that exist, have existed or ever will exist are already out there "in the ether"? What happened before life existed? What are "souls" made out of? Can we measure a soul to prove it's existence or is it just like Chi or most other mystical bullshit?
A_Wanderer said:
Higher planes of existence, are they higher dimensions or pieces of human conciousness?
A_Wanderer said:I would still rather be master of my fate all the way into the future.
blueyedpoet said:This is meant for people who are not Christian to provide accounts for their faiths or beliefs that are not Christian. I in no way, shape, or fashion, aim to keep Christians out (as I am kind of one myself). I just wish to have good discussions about other faiths - and i will not try to convert. Again, that's not what this is about.
For Honor said:^addendum to my earlier post
I've got a whole lotta pride, mind you, but honestly..... I don't think it matters what "religion" you follow - you can can start a religion of staring at doorknobs, and you can find just as much there as anywhere else, because it is up to you, or at least others in presentation, to advance yourself and understand the truths in your universe.
But I think, too, that people should also consider the real, external universe, and seek to find the connection between yours, and the external, reality one, and ultimately, the connection, and further, the understanding that the barrier, or difference, was never ther in the first place.
For Honor said:..... I don't think it matters what "religion" you follow - you can can start a religion of staring at doorknobs, and you can find just as much there as anywhere else, because it is up to you, or at least others in presentation, to advance yourself and understand the truths in your universe.
BonosSaint said:
That was an interesting post and I find a lot of truth in that.
blueyedpoet said:
This seems flawed to me. Not only should I only care, but in reality, I do only care about others because I care for me. What moral teaching teaches to care just for yourself? Egoism.
I don't murder because: a) it's not my style, b) i know it's wrong.
Neither of those two reasons include: c) because i don't want to be murdered.
intedomine said:
If this is egoism then so be it.... what does matter is that it does give me some form of moral guidance. I am not going to commit a paedophlic act or murder someone or rape someone, and that is all that my moral sense asks of me...
The only world I know is the one that revolves around me. Everything I know, feel and understand is based on experience.
I see a human being and they are similar to me in many different ways. I can only assume that they are capable of feeling pain, (even though WE KNOW that people feel pain), and this is enough for me to not inflict pain on anyone....
This form of moral guidance works for me and, effectively, it is working for others as well, because this moral guidance is preventing me from inflicting pain on anyone else....
It works just as well, and if not better, than religion...
nbcrusader said:
How'd you get so smart in just 20 years??
intedomine said:
The only world I know is the one that revolves around me. Everything I know, feel and understand is based on experience.
I really respect this position. While I happen to be some kind of theist; I've always, philosophically, admired agnosticism. I believe experiential proof is the only proof that can move individuals over the chasm of possible disbelief.indra said:I believe the following:
No one can prove the existence of god (or supreme being, etc., etc.)
No one can disprove the existence of god (or supreme being, etc., etc.)
Hardcore atheism is every bit as obnoxious as hardcore, fundamentalist religion (of any persuasion).
No one belief system has "it" (whatever "it" eventually turns out to be) absolutely correct. None.
So given the above I have to classify myself as an agnostic. I tend to fall more towards the god (or whatever) does not exist, but it is interesting to ponder the idea that one or more does/do exist, so I do ponder the idea. I also have the feeling that if a god (or gods) does exist, it won't be at all what most people expect.
blueyedpoet said:
It seems as if I've kind of misread your point. From what you're saying here it sounds as if you adhere to the golden rule: do unto others what you have done to you (sic).
martha said:
And so if you've never had the experience...?
Then what?
BigMacPhisto said:I'm an atheist through and through. And if anyone can call themselves a Christian after seeing all of this valid proof about why it's all a fraud:
http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/
Then, well, you lack sense. I do believe in the soul though. Not as a spiritual entity, but as the person we develop in our formulative years and never really change from once we reach adulthood.