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Old 02-16-2004, 09:21 AM   #16
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It's going to remain a factor as long as there's scholarships based on race.

If they're going to give a scholarship in an attempt to give disadvantaged students a boost in life, they should do it by economic or geographic status, not race.

There's priviliged, affluent African-American kids attending private high schools, just as there's poor white kids born to welfare mothers in the heart of Harlem.
You want to know the difference? When they offer black scholarships, they aren't doing it to "stick it to Whitey"; they do it to advance a historically disadvantaged minority. When there are "white scholarships," though, it, inevitably, is offered by a group looking for controversy. It isn't to help advance white students; it's always to poke fun at minority scholarships, and, as you find out later, the same group, inevitably, has a poor record on other minority groups (read: homophobia, for instance).

Scholarships *only* work when targeted to subordinate hegemonic groups. Making a "black scholarship" in Africa would make zero sense, because that is where blacks are the dominant hegemony. At the same token, making a "white scholarship" in the U.S., Europe, or Australia is equally ridiculous. The only feasible run-around on this reality is to issue scholarships on subordinate groups that affect whites, like issuing a scholarship to someone of Irish descent or any specific European nationality within the United States. Now, of course, you couldn't offer an "Irish descent" scholarship in Ireland, because that's where they are the dominant hegemony, and, thus, it will be perceived as racist to the non-Irish living in Ireland.

This is why "white scholarships" will never ever ever ever ever go over well in the United States, because they shouldn't.

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Scholarships should be based on merit. Give them to a smart person who can't afford to go to uni themselves. The fact that they fall into any of the above categories should be irrelevant.
This is a contradiction. You start out with a merit-based scholarship and then you end with need-based. You can't have it both ways..

Needless to say, there are both open to white students, even if it doesn't have a "white scholarship" attachment to it.

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You want to know the difference? When they offer black scholarships, they aren't doing it to "stick it to Whitey"; they do it to advance a historically disadvantaged minority. When there are "white scholarships," though, it, inevitably, is offered by a group looking for controversy. It isn't to help advance white students; it's always to poke fun at minority scholarships, and, as you find out later, the same group, inevitably, has a poor record on other minority groups (read: homophobia, for instance).
Respectfully I disagree. Not about the controversy part of it. When the Republican group ahs been censored on campus at RWC, I can see them attempting to stir up controversy. There will be a debate in the student body Senate over this. As a teacher I look at this as a good thing, because the STUDENTS will be participating in their community (IE College) government. What a wonderful way to excersize their abilities to discuss, debate, and decide if this is appropriate.

What I disagree with is the notion that onlyblacks are disadvantaged. There are many who are disadvantaged in this country and quite frankly, color of the skin does not equal disadvantaged. Economics to me makes one disadvantaged, and there are many economically disadvantaged people.

I wish they had not put the "evidence of bleaching" line into the application. It definitely bolsters the impression that they are poking fun, or being racists. That bothers me. Take the line out...is it a serious issue? Is it something that should be looked at? Why shouldn't all scholarships be based on NEED and on ACADEMIC MERIT?

Right now I am horrified at the amount of money put into Special Education. This is not to say that Special Education is not a necessary program. However there is ZERO money for more gifted students. The first programs that go when we cut school budgets are programs that are designed to help more gifted students along. Why? Which program will benefit society more in the long run? All students are NOT equally gifted. All students can learn, yes, and they deserve the right to an education. But we hold back the gifted students making them work at the other students pace. This helps society how? I have third graders in my classroom from the "projects" that can be doing fifth grade math right now! They should be slowed down why? And when scholarships are awarded, they may or may not be eligible why?

Poverty is colorblind. Our scholarships should be too.
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[Q]Some have accused the College Republicans of being disingenuous in making a stand against minority scholarships, noting that Mattera himself is the recipient of a scholarship open only to a minority group.

Mattera, who is of Puerto Rican descent, readily acknowledges that he was awarded a $5,000 scholarship from the Hispanic College Fund.

He said he was given the money because of his academic achievement and plays down the role his ethnicity played in the funds being awarded.

Mattera also contends that his ethnic background only strengthens his position.

matter what my ethnicity is, I'm making a statement that scholarships should be given out based on merit and need," Mattera told The Providence Journal.http://www.boston.com/news/local/rho...es_only_award/
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More to the picture.....

There was a guest speaker at the campus.....read on:

[Q]The group took out a full-page ad in last week's issue of the university's student newspaper to advertise the scholarship, which was for $50 until two donors came forward to add $100 each during the weekend, Mattera said.

The ad also publicized the visit on Wednesday of Reginald Jones, a critic of affirmative action.

He was invited, the Republicans said, in observance of Black History Month. A poster about his visit says "Black History Month is a ploy to spread socialism."

The topic of Jones's lecture Wednesday evening is "How the civil-rights movement destroyed the black community."
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This man is awarding the scholarship on Wednesday night!
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Why shouldn't all scholarships be based on NEED and on ACADEMIC MERIT?
So how is creating an only white scholarship furthering this cause? Poking fun at this issue in this manner is not the way to accomplish this, it will just further those who already believe that college Republican groups are racists.

It's a very imperfect system that needs to be restructured in order to accomodate for those who are disadvantaged.
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This man is awarding the scholarship on Wednesday night!
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this guy probably doesn't have a lot of fans in the black community.

Although I'd be interested in hearing his lecture.
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So how is creating an only white scholarship furthering this cause? Poking fun at this issue in this manner is not the way to accomplish this, it will just further those who already believe that college Republican groups are racists.
Agreed, poking fun is not the bet way to handle the situation, but at least it draws attention to it. I know at my school, if I really wanted people to consider this issue, I'd have to do something really rediculous or radical. As for racism, if people feel better assuming that the Republican groups are racists, then that's another issue entirely. I don't think groups should have to worry about what they do or don't do because someone might wrongfully assume that they are supporting racism. The group is not mocking minorities, they're mocking school policy and how it is a misrepresentation of minorities AND whites.
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The group is not mocking minorities, they're mocking school policy and how it is a misrepresentation of minorities AND whites.
No I think they crossed that line with statements like;

""why you are proud of your white heritage" and a recent picture to "confirm whiteness."

"Evidence of bleaching will disqualify applicants," says the application, issued by the university's College Republicans.""
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Scholarships should be merit-based or need-based. Race-based scholarships will only further divide.
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it will just further those who already believe that college Republican groups are racists.
That is something that I agree with you on. But is this the intent, or the slant that is being placed upon the situation. It is easier to label them racists and blow off their concerns, rather than deal with the issue.

That is why I am excited that there is a studeny body senate having meetings on this tomorrow night. The kids are handling this better than the media and the school.
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That is something that I agree with you on. But is this the intent, or the slant that is being placed upon the situation. It is easier to label them racists and blow off their concerns, rather than deal with the issue.
I think the manner in which they brought about the issue cheapens their concerns. It would be hard for me to believe their intentions were for the equality of people were real.

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That is why I am excited that there is a studeny body senate having meetings on this tomorrow night. The kids are handling this better than the media and the school.
I'm glad the kids are dealing with it in a senate setting as well.
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This is a contradiction. You start out with a merit-based scholarship and then you end with need-based. You can't have it both ways..

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Sure I can. I just didn't explain it very well! Give scholarships to smart people (thus giving them on merit) who can't afford to go to uni otherwise (which is giving them on need).

A singularly merit based scholarship could give someone who is smart but rich something which they could easily afford themselves.

A needs-based scholarship could help out a poor person, but they mightn't do well at uni, which then means the scholarship is a bit of a waste.

So of course you can have merit/needs based scholarships! Imo they make a lot more sense.
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""why you are proud of your white heritage" and a recent picture to "confirm whiteness."

OK, the picture and bleaching comment was rediculous and I'm not sure where they were going with that, but I don't see the harm in being asked to comment on white heritage. Many scholarships offered to minorities ask them to comment on their heritage. Just because someone is proud of who they are doesn't give anyone else the right to automatically assume they're a racist.
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