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Old 03-19-2003, 04:23 PM   #31
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About my memory. The Iranian revolution helped push us to court Iraq because the Soviets had signed a peace treaty in 1972 with Iraq.

Yes the world changed, but up until 1979 Iraq and the Soviet Union were buddies. When the US switched and Saddam condemned the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan all that changed. Soviets armed Iran. However, As I said before....the Soviets once again buddied up with Iraq selling arms in 1987.

From this link:

http://www.ironsides.8m.com/army/iz.html

Arms from the Soviet Union

From 1972 to 1979, the percentage of Iraq's military equipment supplied by the Soviet Union declined from 95 to 63 percent. Even so, in 1987 the Soviet Union, having provided more than US$8 billion worth of weapons since 1980, was Iraq's most important arms supplier. In its 1987 annual study, Soviet Military Power, the United States Department of Defense stated that, while maintaining official neutrality in the IranIraq War, the Soviet Union had provided extensive military assistance to Iraq, and at the same time, continued its efforts to gain leverage on Iran. In early 1987, Moscow delivered a squadron of twenty-four MiG-29 Fulcrums to Baghdad. Considered the most advanced fighter in the Soviet arsenal, the MiG-29 previously had been provided only to Syria and India. The decision to export the MiG-29 to Iraq, also assured Iraq a more advantageous payment schedule than any offered by the West and it reflected Soviet support for one of its traditional allies in the Middle East. Caught in a financial crisis, Baghdad welcomed the low-interest loans Moscow extended for this equipment.

Although the Soviets might not receive payments for several years, the sale of military hardware remained a critical source of revenue for them, and they have tried to retain Iraq as a customer. In May 1987, for example, the Soviets provided Iraq with better financial terms in a successful effort to prevent Iraq from buying sixty French Mirage 2000 fighters for an estimated US$3 billion. An additional US$3 billion in sales of helicopters and radar equipment may also have been denied to the French, although it was not possible to determine whether the Soviets agreed to fulfill both requirements. In early 1988, Iraq owed the Soviet Union between US$8 billion and US$10 billion in military debts alone.

So much for my faulty memory...... Peace
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Old 03-19-2003, 04:40 PM   #32
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So much for my faulty memory...... Peace
Ok. Thanks for shedding light on SU arms deals. I would very much welcome your not less detailed presentation on what was the purpose of Mr.Rumsfeld's visit there. And when it was. Did he come to dissuade Iraq from buying Mig-29?
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Old 03-19-2003, 04:54 PM   #33
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Dreadsox. I can do it for you. The first link I found:
www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0212/S00074.htm
There are many more, of course.
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No...I do not doubt that there was a picture. LOL I think I was one of the first to correct someone who said it was Reagan in the Picture months ago.

I am saying...please....detail the arms that you alledge that Rumsfeld delivered to Iraq.

See, By all accounts, RUSSIA, FRANCE, and CHINA have been the major suppliers to Iraq. Also, looking at biological capabilities, Small Pox to Iraq is allegedly from the Soviet Union. Nuclear Technology from France. Ballistic Missle Technology violating Sanctions within the past ten years Russia (gyroscopes). Chemical Plants and technology Germany.

All of the overwealming evidence of these countries who for some reason are opposed to the war....involved in helping Saddam....and you because of one picture and alleged sale of cluster bombs, which has been denied by many people....are implying what because of the Rumsfeld picture?

You are implying that we are dirty? Yes, the US is dirty as are all of the player listed above.

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...detail the arms that you alledge that Rumsfeld delivered to Iraq.
You are implying that we are dirty? Yes, the US is dirty as are all of the player listed above.

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I never said Rumsfeld supplied arms to Iq.
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I seriously misunderstood what you were saying.

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