What Makes Obama Attractive? - Page 5 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-11-2008, 04:58 PM   #61
Blue Crack Addict
 
U2democrat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: England by way of 'Murica.
Posts: 22,140
Local Time: 09:03 AM
I personally see Hillary as a far greater gamble.
__________________

__________________
U2democrat is offline  
Old 01-11-2008, 04:59 PM   #62
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 01:03 AM
and that is based on the clintons' track record

vs

obamas?
__________________

__________________
deep is online now  
Old 01-11-2008, 05:04 PM   #63
Blue Crack Addict
 
U2democrat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: England by way of 'Murica.
Posts: 22,140
Local Time: 09:03 AM
That's based on the division I see caused by her which would lead to disaster in the general election.
__________________
U2democrat is offline  
Old 01-11-2008, 05:14 PM   #64
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 01:03 AM
so judging "track records" the clintons record is far superior

and obama
really does not have much of one, yet.


as for " division I see caused by her" I accept your perception
but I don't believe it

and also understand that within your college environment
it seems like an unstoppable ground swell for obama
a tidal wave that will propel all the way through November


well. based on watching many, many presidential elections very closely and analizing them

i fear your very common held belief is far from what will happen


and please bear in mind

I very much do not want huckabee, rudy or mitt appointing useless sacks, like alito to the supreme court.

I expect more vacancies on the court, and the liberals will be the next two to go.
__________________
deep is online now  
Old 01-11-2008, 05:20 PM   #65
Blue Crack Addict
 
U2democrat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: England by way of 'Murica.
Posts: 22,140
Local Time: 09:03 AM
Well I certainly hope you're right that if Hillary were to get the nom that she'd beat out the republicans, but I just don't feel like she could win.

When she turns off democrats as hardcore as myself, and fires up the Republicans, I get worried.
__________________
U2democrat is offline  
Old 01-11-2008, 09:36 PM   #66
Forum Moderator
 
yolland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 7,471
Local Time: 10:03 AM
'analizing' elections, now that sounds painful

Quote:
Originally posted by deep
as for " division I see caused by her" I accept your perception
but I don't believe it

and also understand that within your college environment
it seems like an unstoppable ground swell for obama
a tidal wave that will propel all the way through November


well. based on watching many, many presidential elections very closely and analizing them

i fear your very common held belief is far from what will happen


and please bear in mind

I very much do not want huckabee, rudy or mitt appointing useless sacks, like alito to the supreme court.

I expect more vacancies on the court, and the liberals will be the next two to go.
I'm beginning to have some doubts about all this myself. Or more correctly, some doubts as to whether some of these more over-the-top fantasies about Obama's presence and sincerity and optimism magically transforming Washington into rainbows,-puppies-'n'-kittens land if elected might not be a subconscious response to these equally over-the-top convictions that Hillary is the Spawn of Satan--to the point where we're seeing unmistakably lefty voters apparently managing to convince themselves that handing the White House to any Republican would be preferable to Hillary, which makes absolutely no sense given their own stances on the issues. I wonder if there's some kind of collective wishful amnesia afoot about what happened in 1992, when Bill Clinton, another candidate who indisputably 'had the magic' with crowds and benefited hugely from it, outraged Republicans by defeating the highly qualified but considerably less charming incumbent Bush Sr. Disenchantment with Bill Clinton certainly increased with time and the inevitable scandals and disappointments, and by the end plenty of Democrats were soured on him too, but from the beginning there was already this now-familiar hysterical screed about the vile, slimy, lyin'-SOB-good-ol'-boy from Arkansas and--not incidentally--his ballbuster-bitch-uppity-Yale-grad wife, emanating from the other side. It is naive, very naive, to assume this could not possibly happen to Obama.

I am NOT denying the reality of "baggage," the sometimes-testy dullness and lack of charm to Hillary's persona, the (realistically rather small, compared to the GOP candidates) differences between her, Obama and the other Dems on various issues, and the distastefulness of furthering family-dynasty political trends, much less all the many appealing qualities Obama looks to have. I am no "fan" of Hillary myself. But I do question whether some of these Obama supporters who appear to hate Hillary to the point of being ready to give up altogether if they can't have Barack, and have him Right Now!, might not have uncritically internalized some of the aforementioned propaganda screed without stopping to ask themselves how worthy that received judgment is, who really benefits when they don't ask themselves those questions, and what exactly she's done that is so singularly hateful and vile as to warrant that level of frothing-at-the-mouth hysteria.
__________________
yolland [at] interference.com


μελετώ αποτυγχάνειν. -- Διογένης της Σινώπης
yolland is offline  
Old 01-11-2008, 09:39 PM   #67
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
ntalwar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,900
Local Time: 04:03 AM


Who will be President - two people?
__________________
ntalwar is offline  
Old 01-11-2008, 10:07 PM   #68
She's the One
 
martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place
Posts: 42,334
Local Time: 01:03 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by yolland
what exactly she's done that is so singularly hateful and vile as to warrant that level of frothing-at-the-mouth hysteria.
I wonder about this myself. I've never found her all that horrible. I kinda like a smart broad.
__________________
martha is offline  
Old 01-11-2008, 10:07 PM   #69
She's the One
 
martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place
Posts: 42,334
Local Time: 01:03 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by ntalwar


Who will be President - two people?
Wtf does that mean?
__________________
martha is offline  
Old 01-11-2008, 10:12 PM   #70
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
ntalwar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,900
Local Time: 04:03 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by martha


Wtf does that mean?
There's too much usage of "The Clintons" everywhere - as if they will be a ruling team. The country will reject a perceived co-presidency.
__________________
ntalwar is offline  
Old 01-11-2008, 11:09 PM   #71
She's the One
 
martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place
Posts: 42,334
Local Time: 01:03 AM
Are you hoping so?
__________________
martha is offline  
Old 01-11-2008, 11:12 PM   #72
ONE
love, blood, life
 
financeguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ireland
Posts: 10,122
Local Time: 10:03 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by ntalwar
There's too much usage of "The Clintons" everywhere - as if they will be a ruling team. The country will reject a perceived co-presidency.
Well, 'the country' didn't reject a dynastic Bourbonite regency, as with the Bushies. The Clinton-Rodhams are not related by blood, last time I checked.
__________________
financeguy is offline  
Old 01-11-2008, 11:46 PM   #73
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
ntalwar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,900
Local Time: 04:03 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by financeguy

The Clinton-Rodhams are not related by blood, last time I checked.
It'll be the first time a present and past commander-in-chief are in the White House at the same time though. There is at least a potential for conflict of interest if they disagree on some major decisions. (I'm sure Bill will be actively involved in decisions, as Presidents have huge egos.)
__________________
ntalwar is offline  
Old 01-11-2008, 11:59 PM   #74
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 01:03 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by ntalwar


Who will be President - two people?

In 2000, after the GOP power brokers fixed it for W to get the nomination by gutting McCain.

They realized they had a problem because W was such a light weight.

So Cheney was added to the ticket (by himself, not W, btw)

and the buzz word was "gravitas" "gravitas" "gravitas"

I had never heard that word in relationship to a VP before.

Al Gore certainly had stature when he was chosen as Clinton running mate.

GHW Bush certainly had stature when he was chosen as Reagan's VP.

But both Clinton and Reagan did not need a VP with "gravitas" because they were not considered lightweights.

When W ran in 2000 they almost ran Cheney more than W.

With W who is president? Two people?
I think it is more like 1 and 1/2.

The half being W.

If Hillary gets the nomination. There are several people she could pick for VP.

No one would be screaming she needs a VP with "gravitas".


Can you say the say for Obama?

or would he suffer from the same perception as W did in 2000?

Who would end up being the twofer candidate? Hillary or Obama?
__________________
deep is online now  
Old 01-12-2008, 12:03 AM   #75
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 01:03 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by ntalwar


It'll be the first time a present and past commander-in-chief are in the White House at the same time though.




yon made these guys laugh
__________________

__________________
deep is online now  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:03 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com