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Old 05-25-2007, 08:43 PM   #91
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low voter turn out means we'll be seeing more of this

that's not gonna be good for anybody.
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but shouldn't apathy been seen as a message about the political system? i don't blame voters for being apathetic when the choice they are given is between a punch in the face or a kick in the nuts. the blame should be placed on a system that doesn't provide enough quality choices that inspire people to get off their ass and vote.

i dont see low voter turnout as public laziness, i see it as a failure of the political system.
True, it's a reflection of a failed political system, but it will often empower the worse of the two evils.

I mean I'd take the punch in the face anyday then the kick in the nuts. Sure the punch will hurt and it may mess up my pretty face for awhile, but if I can avoid any permanant damage downstairs then I'm better off in the long run.
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but shouldn't apathy been seen as a message about the political system? i don't blame voters for being apathetic when the choice they are given is between a punch in the face or a kick in the nuts. the blame should be placed on a system that doesn't provide enough quality choices that inspire people to get off their ass and vote.

i dont see low voter turnout as public laziness, i see it as a failure of the political system.
But until the voters decide that the Swift Boat Idiots, and the tabloid style reporting, and the dirty ads won't affect them, we're going to continue to get the candidates we deserve. Everyone wrings their hands at all the stuff, but it turns out to work. Until we decide it won't work anymore, it's a choice between the face and the nuts.
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But until the voters decide that the Swift Boat Idiots, and the tabloid style reporting, and the dirty ads won't affect them, we're going to continue to get the candidates we deserve. Everyone wrings their hands at all the stuff, but it turns out to work.
and with that said, look what we currently have.. does anyone really want to say " I didn't vote..because.." I didn't like blah blah blah... has not voting changed the country in any way..
This is the system we have now..
You can't change ANYTHING! if you just sit it out.
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Barak Obama. I live in Canada.
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low voter turn out means we'll be seeing more of this

that's not gonna be good for anybody.
not for nothing, but what exactly is wrong with influential people in popular culture trying (albeit failing) to use their influence to get young people to vote?
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not for nothing, but what exactly is wrong with influential people in popular culture trying (albeit failing) to use their influence to get young people to vote?
nothing. but puff daddy, poppa doody, or whatever he calls himself now isn't exactly influential. there was a lot of outreach to get the young people to vote. but...those commercials were just silly. among my students, they were a joke, just like puff is.
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and with that said, look what we currently have.. does anyone really want to say " I didn't vote..because.." I didn't like blah blah blah... has not voting changed the country in any way..
This is the system we have now..
You can't change ANYTHING! if you just sit it out.
You can't change anything if you vote for a shitty candidate.
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You can't change anything if you vote for a shitty candidate.
It'll make things even shittier.
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When was the last time the Republicans talked about anything but terrorism?
The Republicans always discuss multiple issues as well as terrorism. The point I was making was I don't believe the Democrats have actually won an election on the issues you mentioned.
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A low voter turnout would just be interpreted as apathy (as it is now). I would prefer it if there were a "none of the above" option.
Voter turnout is usually lower during times of relative calm, when the country is not involved in a major war and the economy is doing very well. The 2004 election had one of the highest voter turnouts for an election in many years, as well as the highest number of voters, voting in history. An election that Bush won, I might add. Voter turnout in the 2006 congressional election was 33% less than the 2004 presidential election.
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but shouldn't apathy been seen as a message about the political system? i don't blame voters for being apathetic when the choice they are given is between a punch in the face or a kick in the nuts. the blame should be placed on a system that doesn't provide enough quality choices that inspire people to get off their ass and vote.

i dont see low voter turnout as public laziness, i see it as a failure of the political system.
People will vote if they think whats it stake is important. They may not be thrilled about their specific choices, but they know its important to decide. For some it might be picking the "lesser of two evils". The 2004 Presidential election had such a high turnout because people thought the issues were important to the country. The issues impacting the country, rather than the candidates, is what really motivates people to vote.
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Its interesting to see how much Barack Obama has dominated this poll. Its in direct contrast to how Hillary Clinton is doing in the polls against Barack Obama where she is opening up a solid double digit lead. But then again FYM is indeed politicaly on the left side of the fence, so its not too surprising given that Hillary Clinton is the more conservative candidate. The voting totals are actually similar to how Bush did in the FYM poll against Kerry in 2004 I think.
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The point I was making was I don't believe the Democrats have actually won an election on the issues you mentioned.
Because the damn Republicans have convinced them that the terroists are coming to kill them!
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Because the damn Republicans have convinced them that the terroists are coming to kill them!
I meant historically, even going back before 9/11.
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