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the powers that be of the Church were seeking a way to "sell" virginity to their congregations?
Irvine511 said:the powers that be of the Church were seeking a way to "sell" virginity to their congregations?
Dreadsox said:For those of you who believe it, why would God have to creat his own son in a manner completely different from every other person on the planet?
dandy said:
i can't contemplate the immaculate conception without pondering the madonna/whore dichotomy, and then i get angry.
Dreadsox said:
The Immaculate Conception is not about Mary becoming pregnant.
It is about Mary's mother becoming pregnant.
THis is a common mistake.
Dreadsox said:For those of you who believe it, why would God have to create his own son in a manner completely different from every other person on the planet?
AvsGirl41 said:historical evidence doesn't seem to support that it was an accepted tradition in the early church and that it was incorporated later.
speedracer said:
Because sin is transmitted biologically?
sulawesigirl4 said:Interesting issue in all of this being the obvious conclusion that sex of any kind is automatically SIN. Even for Mary's legally married parents to conceive her was seen by some early Church folk as tainting her and therefore Jesus with sin. To me it smacks of one of those early heresies that I forget the name of...the one that says that only the spiritual and the non-physical parts of us are truly good.
verte76 said:I wouldn't be surprised if there were Gnostic groups today.
Dreadsox said:Dang theologians...lol Forgot that Mary had to be sin free too....not just God. His power is limited....
Dreadsox said:BINGO!!!!!!!
And that led to the Immaculate Conception. This is the doctrine that Mary's soul was placed inside of her developing body in the womb by God, so that she too would not have the transfer of Original Sin.
Jesus, to be free from sin had to have a Mother and a Father free from sin.
See, God can create life inside a woman's womb without a male being part of it, but he cannot create Jesus without original sin, he does not have that power because MAry would transfer her link to original sin to Jesus. So God, did not create mary the same way he created Jesus. She had human parents creating her human body through fornication just like you or I, but instead of her soul developing like you or I he placed a soul in her free without sin.
How much blood or DNA is transferred through the umbilical chord?nbcrusader said:
I guess we get mixed up with the idea that original sin comes from the birthing process. I would see no reason to believe that Jesus carried Mary's blood or dna - thus no link to original sin.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
How much blood or DNA is transferred through the umbilical chord?
Dreadsox said:
Makes sence?
sulawesigirl4 said:Interesting issue in all of this being the obvious conclusion that sex of any kind is automatically SIN. Even for Mary's legally married parents to conceive her was seen by some early Church folk as tainting her and therefore Jesus with sin.
BrownEyedBoy said:Of course it happens. That's the beauty of the whole dogma. You can take it or leave it. And by believing - without seeing - you are blessed. That is faith. The minute you know something it stops being faith and it becomes knowledge.
"The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
"`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
"`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanished in a puff of logic.
indra said:I don't think so. But then again I don't believe that Jesus was the son of God any more than anyone else is. And I also don't believe in God in the form of a person or person-like being either...perhaps a powerful life-force, but not an omniscient creator.
beli said:Douglas Adams "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy"
Lemon Meringue said:13 Then Isaiah said, "Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of men? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
sallycinnamon78 said:
Agreed. To me, the idea of God is as an underlying force permeating everything, in all that exists.
That's not as articulate as I would like it to be, but hey, it's late! I know what I mean!